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| Becar17. 11. 2020 08:42:45 |
Ban on travel between municipalities is one of the biggest stupidities and nonsense. The situation is more or less the same across the whole country. Why would someone from the neighboring municipality endanger me more than our citizen? And vice versa.
The problem with some is that they take as holy what institutions order. Meaning thinking with your own head is forbidden in advance.
Overall, the measures (except masks in closed spaces) have COSMETIC effect all the way to the hypothetical moment of closing all jobs, shops, i.e. complete shutdown.
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| Dr.ejči17. 11. 2020 09:14:29 |
Big thanks Great Man "bongo" for making me laugh to my ears...by the way, no mistake, physically and fitness-wise I don't reach their knees, because I'm a bit worn out from construction...so, congrats!...especially to Dejan, as he's progressed a lot in "ad"ventures...but I've met both "brave Men" Primož and Dejan, in nature and I assure you confidently that based on the seen behavior I absolutely don't want to crawl into anyone's shorts!!!...personally I can only blame myself that back then I didn't "spit in their face" to both and "pat" their big shoulders??...maybe my boyish immaturity prevented me??...don't know, I'm just a couch boy...all you similar little boys I don't know, but it seems to me we're on the same "frequency", and definitely all of you whom I invite, when everything is allowed, to the common sandbox, for gossiping (because this public debating isn't gossiping)...for the first round of beer and "kilo" of meat, I pay. ...good luck, people! (Men, boys, lads, girls, wives )
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| bongo17. 11. 2020 09:43:07 |
Nice that you're a cheerful guy, but spitting leave it to the llamas Every "artist" is heavy in his own way, otherwise he wouldn't be an "artist". Good luck
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| ljubitelj gora17. 11. 2020 10:00:22 |
Even if there were no municipal borders, I'd just limit leaving homes, say up to 5km or 1km or curfew also during the day and similar measures.
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| journeyman17. 11. 2020 10:44:08 |
Exactly right, Jax. When people sell their freedom for safety or perceived safety, it never ends well. How does that saying go, he who is willing to give up freedom in the name of safety deserves neither freedom nor safety.
This scientism would be better called pseudoscience, since it all stands on some assumptions that have never been definitively proven in medicine.
Key to all this is control over information. If you control what people read, hear and see, you control their perception and thus have people under control. That's why every tyranny in history first made sure that different views of the world didn't reach people. Nazis burned books, today Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Google and others censor people who have different explanations for the current situation. Everything that's not the official narrative is "fake news" or conspiracy theory. Really funny how incredibly easy it is to control people.
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| zokipoki17. 11. 2020 12:30:59 |
What kind of freedom, journeyman? Don't write nonsense. Freedom is being free within yourself from emotional and mental bonds that hold you, everything else is illusion! Don't mix false sense of freedom with what it really is, a great measure of responsibility and awareness. You're free when you react afresh. I allow myself to be philosophical.
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| Zebdi17. 11. 2020 12:49:36 |
But when someone goes wild in the mountains, they sure like the feeling of safety when the helicopter comes for them. Would anyone be willing to give that up for their "unlimited freedom"?
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| journeyman17. 11. 2020 14:19:36 |
zokipoki, freedom is among other things the possibility of choice. Do you think you can decide for yourself what you will and what not? I believe in individual freedom, I believe people are capable of deciding themselves what level of risk they will take for themselves, whether they will wear muzzles, get vaccinated, where they will move and so on. If that's not there, there's no freedom.
And the same goes for information. I trust people to decide for themselves what seems sensible to them and make decisions based on that.
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| MitjaBelak17. 11. 2020 14:52:58 |
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
Some will come to this, just a question of time when, but they will.
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| dragon17. 11. 2020 16:37:21 |
How some whine that your freedom is violated and bla bla..., because for a couple of weeks you can't leave your municipality. That's a sign of softness of today's "fully fed" European, who can't endure anything neither for his own nor for others' good. How would they survive if they were locked between four walls for years or even for life for some reason.
Not everyone goes to the mountains. Actually, we're a small percentage of mountaineers and we have to look at the situation also with non-mountaineer eyes. If municipalities were open, on these nice days Bled, Bohinj, coast and other such places would be full despite closed taverns. We need to limit gatherings as much as possible so the thing passes as soon as possible, not babble that people are capable of deciding themselves what's right and what's not, because for 90% of people that's not true.
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| journeyman17. 11. 2020 17:01:25 |
Mitja, I think the coming months will open many eyes.
Dragon, what is for my good, I will decide myself, I won't leave those decisions to others. You limit gatherings as much as you want if you think that will save you. Nice that you allow others the possibility of deciding. You would be right for politics.
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| Zebdi17. 11. 2020 17:20:28 |
We also need to look a bit at what is good for others. If we are still capable of that at all.
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| dragon17. 11. 2020 17:23:17 |
Let's abolish all laws, then people will decide themselves what's best for us. That's how a 12-year-old anarchist thinks. Give people complete freedom and you'll get CHAOS, because as I wrote, most people can't decide themselves what's right and what's not. How many people do you think follow speed limits because of their own and others' safety and how many because they fear fines?
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| lubadar17. 11. 2020 17:39:34 |
@journeyman, your freedom ends where you start endangering others with your actions!
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| journeyman17. 11. 2020 18:43:14 |
Of course, lubadar, and that you endanger others with your actions, they tell you on TV.
Yeah, Primoza, you and your numbers. Better read something about PCR tests and how numbers are manipulated, if you dare read something else besides rtv or 24 hours.
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| Hribolaznik17. 11. 2020 18:53:01 |
To me personally, Sweden is very interesting... First their soft approach, which in reality isn't so soft (since 50% of Swedes have their own apartment, or live alone, and don't socialize as much as, for example, Italians or Spaniards). Then there's their immunity strategy, which proved completely wrong. I don't know how someone (Anders Tegnell) can still be the chief state epidemiologist when he completely missed the approach to fighting covid, and admitted his mistakes... The image below is their official page recording covid results. If anyone is interested in the age picture of the dead, it's clearly visible that out of 6225 dead there are also 200 dead in the 50-59 age group and 47 dead in the 40-49 age group..
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| Zebdi17. 11. 2020 18:58:33 |
Will you enlighten us how numbers are manipulated, journeyman? Meanwhile take a walk through hospitals and explain to doctors that they're just imagining the situation and it's not bad at all 
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| journeyman17. 11. 2020 19:20:44 |
No I won't, Zebdi, if you're interested there are more than enough sources on the web. Including videos where doctors talk about manipulation. If it interests you I'm sure you can find them, otherwise just stay with what you hear every day.
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| Hribolaznik17. 11. 2020 19:23:02 |
Aleš Žontar's note, top Slovenian athlete: "... Since the condition didn't improve, I also decided for a test. I also slowly started losing smell and taste, which is almost a guarantee you're infected. I was completely without energy and appetite. In the afternoon I learned the test was positive. I slept the rest of the day, nausea and fever disappeared. I had already completely lost smell, while tasting only specific tastes - sweet, salty, sour, spicy and bitter. Mushroom soup had only salty taste. No general appetite anymore, fatigue still very present. Fifth day I went on trainer first time, half hour at average pulse 84 beats per minute. Followed by rest and sleep.
To shorten the story for the next 10 days. Slept about 9 to 10 hours a day, sometimes until 9am, which for me as mentioned definitely not usual. Such fatigue and lack of energy before infection I haven't experienced. Washing dishes became a whole day project, since I could barely move from the couch. Every activity abnormally tired me and every day I optimistically told myself tomorrow will surely be better. If I went slowly riding on Zwift, always followed by lots of rest and sleep. Food still didn't smell good, but I forced myself each time to eat at least one normal meal and drink large amounts of tea.
Today is 25th day from infection. Started getting smell and taste around 15th day, but even today not as it should be. Still every activity unusually tires me, so still can't imagine running uphill. But glad it's slowly getting better..."
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| Zebdi17. 11. 2020 19:26:44 |
journeyman, I thought you wouldn't, but I tried anyway. Until then I'll just believe family members and colleagues who work in healthcare. Yes, even on covid wards. They seem more credible source to me than anonymous forum experts
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