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zavest28. 08. 2021 19:24:29
Fake news. Why would MPs want to test children for drugs?

At most they can advise them first-hand and teach them about side effects, combinations and which dealers supply good stuff velik nasmeh
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Becar28. 08. 2021 20:15:16
Dr. Žiga Zebec

As a microbiologist who researched interactions between viruses and microorganisms in my PhD, at the beginning of the epidemic I wanted to contribute to virus control myself. Due to the nature of my lab work, I knew a fast and cost-effective disinfection method with UV-C light. This is the light used for disinfecting operating rooms, water purification, and sterile production lines. Since UV-C light is suitable for disinfecting surfaces and aerosols where viruses are often transmitted, I thought this disinfection method would be most appropriate for destroying the virus. Nowhere did I see UV-C light being used for disinfection, so I informed the authorities. As you probably guessed, there was no response to my initiative.
Right from the start of the virus appearance, I delved into the emerging literature on the new virus and existing literature necessary to contextualize novelties. As a user of PCR and qPCR tests, I first thoroughly studied the qPCR test used for SARS-CoV-2 detection. Immediately, I noticed that the test is based on amplifying only a 100-nucleotide fragment from two different parts of the virus's genetic material, which has 30,000 nucleotides. I also noticed that one of the initial oligonucleotides mismatches the viral sequence, which was very concerning for a diagnostic test. It seemed inappropriate to me, and soon many other scientists worldwide began expressing concern.
In the following months, things became even more confusing and illogical. First, we started using masks indoors, soon outdoors too. When that didn't help, we began locking down healthy people, and when that didn't work either, we locked down everything else, even though we already knew COVID19 wasn't dangerous for children. Media rhetoric also began to change. Messages to stay calm and care for our own and loved ones' health were replaced by messages that the virus is deadly, everyone endangers everyone, and we must fear everyone, everywhere, even our own shadow if alone in the forest at night.
At this point, I started wondering why leaders in countries would cause additional panic in such a serious situation instead of calming people? An organism under stress is much more susceptible to viral infections than one not stressed. In microbiology, we use various stressors to infect bacterial cultures (chemicals, temperature, or electric current). It became clear to me that measures create a high-stress atmosphere, thus making people more susceptible to viral infections rather than preventing them.
The next step was the vaccine, praised by all experts appearing in the media. Then I clearly noticed that the information from experts summarized by media was very unbalanced. I researched this area myself and found many interesting things that helped form my opinion, which I won't share with you. I'll share only some publicly available data accessible to everyone, which our experts and media don't present.
What else hasn't been said about vaccines? A lot, especially that we simply don't know many things. But we do know certain things, and they're not reported in the media.
One thing presented very unclearly to people is vaccine efficacy. On the NIJZ website under "Most common questions and answers about COVID-19 vaccination" there's "What does 95% efficacy of Comirnaty vaccine mean?" Comirnaty is Pfizer's COVID19 prevention vaccine. NIJZ answer: "Like all vaccines, COVID-19 vaccines don't provide complete protection to all vaccinated. 95% efficacy means 95% of vaccinated are protected from infection, 5% can still get sick despite vaccination." This statistics explanation is extremely problematic, or I can say completely wrong. What does it actually mean?
In clinical testing of vaccines and drugs, we're interested in treatment effect assessment. It's essentially comparing risk of adverse outcome in control (unvaccinated for vaccines) and test (vaccinated) groups. In other words, in our case, how much vaccination reduces risk of getting COVID19. Publicly available data answers this.
Let's take data from the Public Agency of RS for Medicinal Products and Medical Devices (JAZMP) website. In their December 21, 2020 post (summarized from Polack et al. 2020) 1, they explain what Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine is, how it works, and its efficacy. First, it's an mRNA vaccine coding for SARS-CoV-2 protein. Then they answer questions including "What benefits did Comirnaty clinical trials show?" JAZMP: "44,000 people participated. Half got vaccine, half placebo. Participants didn't know which. Efficacy calculated for over 36,000 people over 16 (incl. over 75) without prior infection signs. Study showed 95% reduction in symptomatic COVID-19 cases in vaccinated (8/18,198 got symptoms) vs placebo (162/18,325). Thus, vaccine showed 95% efficacy in trial."
If we look at NIJZ explanation, 95% should mean 5% get sick in vaccinated group, 95% don't. This stats interpretation isn't correct, we'll see why next.
Back to our basic clinical study question: how much does risk of adverse outcome decrease with treatment, or here, how much does vaccination reduce infection risk. Directly answers "absolute risk reduction" (ARR). Using JAZMP Pfizer data: ARR simple: subtract experimental event rate (EER) from control event rate (CER): ARR = CER – EER = 162/18.325 – 8/18.198 = 0.00884 – 0.0004396 = 0.0084, times 100 = 0.84%. ARR is 0.84%. This tells probability of infection drops 0.84% in vaccinated vs 0.88% unvaccinated. Why not report this and what does 95% mean?
Almost unbelievable stats manipulation is so simple, but sadly true. What media, experts, NIJZ report is "relative risk reduction" (RRR). Not unusual, reported for many drugs, but good to know context. Before RRR calc, see The Lancet article: "ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines". 2 Translation: ARR values usually ignored as less impressive than RRR. 1.3% AstraZeneca-Oxford, etc.
For RRR using JAZMP Pfizer numbers 1 for SARS-CoV2. First, relative risk (RR) = EER/CER = 0.0004396/0.00884 = 0.04937. RRR = 1 - RR = 1 – 0.04937 = 0.95 or 95%.
Now Slovenian Pharmaceutical Bulletin, 2012;63, p.211 "From controlled clinical trials to evidence-based treatment". 3 Author explains despite impressive RR/RRR indicating big effect (vaccination here), doesn't give full info without baseline risk CER (here 0.884%). Author continues only RR/RRR can't distinguish big from small effect. For 100x smaller/larger CER/EER, RR/RRR same. For drug with CER 4.1%, additional reduction has little clinical meaning at low risk. RR/RRR thus little useful clinically. Conversely, ARR includes baseline risk. His ARR 1.4%, could convince doctor differently than RR/RRR 66%/34%.
For people needing vaccine efficacy explained, neither ARR nor RRR may mean much, so "number needed to treat" (NNT = 1/ARR). For Pfizer, 119. Means vaccinate 119 to prevent one case.
With data, interested in vaccine side effects risk vs comparable severe disease or death. No studies comparing age groups, data now real-time during mass vaccination.
Official EU stats (May 21, 2021) (https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html#) recorded 431,740 adverse effects and over 11,000 deaths from COVID19 vaccines. With ~200 million vaccinated in EU that day (https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/.../vaccine-tracker.html...), ~1/500 have side effects, 1/20,000 die. Didn't see this in any media, though public data anyone can access.
What's else forbidden? Talking virus origin, existing treatments, etc.
Recently Dr. Antony Fauci suddenly allowed public debate on SARS-CoV-2 origin, until recently natural. Lab-made theory researched/debated scientifically early, but banned publicly/peer-reviewed. Now Fauci admits possible lab origin, permission for broader discussion? Implications if lab-made? Easy create problem (virus), offer solution (vaccine)? What know about such virus/vaccines? Scientifically/ethically/legally acceptable vaccinate first, observe short/medium/long-term effects?
All I want: discussion by all scientists/experts, impossible now. Currently forbidden express scientific/professional opinion unless supports mandated narrative. Despite public data, discussing almost everything forbidden. Banning discussion kills progress, science, free society.
1 Polack, F. P. et al. Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine. The New England journal of medicine 383, 2603-2615, doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 (2020).
2 Olliaro, P., Torreele, E. & Vaillant, M. COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness-the elephant (not) in the room. The Lancet. Microbe, doi:10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0 (2021).
3 Grabnar, I. Od kontroliranih kliničnih raziskav do na dokazih temelječega zdravljenja z zdravili. Farmacevtski vestnik 63, 211-215 (2012).
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zokipoki28. 08. 2021 20:49:49
I would delete this thread if I were a moderator and simply block anyone mentioning covid with pro/con arguments on the forum for a week, and it would be fine, because what's happening is the peak of democracy!
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pantani128. 08. 2021 21:15:49
Hey zoki, chill, if you don't like something velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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redbull28. 08. 2021 22:05:38
Zoki, what you wrote is at least something sensible from these 200 pages of wanking
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Becar29. 08. 2021 11:49:01
Grega, in other words, summary: among the dead in UK 2/3 double-vaccinated.

Interesting, everywhere abroad similar stats, only with us, in the most corrupt country in the world, it's exactly the opposite.
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VanSims29. 08. 2021 12:45:21
Dr. Žiga Bebec velik nasmeh

Otherwise we get the same if we move 'ar' aside and add 'be' between 'e' and 'c' velik nasmeh
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zavest29. 08. 2021 16:11:20
This they're hiding from you: have you wondered what's to blame for the general chip shortage in automotive and other industries?

They were all bought up by covid vaccine producers! eek

So, the more people get infected naturally, the sooner the neighbor can get a new Volkswagen velik nasmeh
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pantani129. 08. 2021 18:42:20
If the vaccine works, there's no need for a third dose or the next ones. For me this vaccine is like a cocktail without alcohol that hits.velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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Becar29. 08. 2021 18:56:15
I think most won't get the 3rd dose after all and then bye PCT. On our side more and more who got 2x jabbed and now realized the corona agenda. Huge number also jabbed for vacation and of course every year few will line up. People were misled, many thought two doses and that's it. But what I warned about happened. Factories for further doses were built a year ago, EU signed multibillion deal for vaccines until 2023 for now, then they plan to extend of course. And that's it, very logical and simple.

I'm sure when they heard about 3rd dose plan, even the blockers were horrified but they'll never admit it. Well maybe when PCT condition expires for them. Until then let them enjoy, unless clots or other long-term side effects come first. Now we can watch them as test bunnies and learn something.

And one quote from Večer:

Since vaccinated also get sick, vaccination is even more necessary! velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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Becar29. 08. 2021 19:28:10
Tomorrow day for burlesque of all burlesques!

At 14:00 interrogation of dr Nade Hiti at ZZS under B. Beović.

The lady found metal particles in vaccine, so she'll have to defend herself. Same thing Japanese found and threw 1.200.000 doses in trash.

So this will be quite funny, together wish Mrs Hiti good nerves, national hero she already is anyway.
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zavest29. 08. 2021 20:13:05
According to US media, Caleb Wallace, leader of the anti-mask movement in Texas, died from coronavirus consequences.

He was 30 years old, after signs of infection he didn't want to go to the hospital and treated himself, because he didn't want to be part of Covid statistics zavijanje z očmi
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grega_z_brega29. 08. 2021 22:20:34
This isn't reporting from American media.
If you want to find American media reporting, you run into a notice that some results aren't shown due to EU legislation. On those that are shown, it says they love their EU customers, but can't show them the news.jezik
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zavest29. 08. 2021 22:42:46
Yeah sure, here's a news article from American media that opens the page completely normally:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/28/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

Should I find some more or is this enough? zavijanje z očmi
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Becar29. 08. 2021 23:19:10
Hehe I peeked at what Grega is talking about. And we don't even need American news!

We have our own double-vaccinated Simona, in her prime years seriously ill with covid, we don't know yet how it will turn out (of course hoping for the best), otherwise one of the smartest and most pushy about vaccination. So what, will we say she got divine punishment? Of course not, just like leave the late American in peace for whom I'm sure he didn't have levers for discrimination based on vaccination like Simona nor any financial benefits. I didn't even know that now autopsy reports and causes of death are public and that we're informed this way about causes of death of every earthling. zavijanje z očmi

Let's look at our own cases first, then outward nasmeh
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zavest29. 08. 2021 23:38:27
> Let's look at our own cases first, then outward
Excellent, start with yourself, master velik nasmeh If the American had died from vaccination consequences, you'd be the first to post the news zavijanje z očmi

A couple days ago you yelled about excess deaths in Great Britain because the article confirmed your beliefs that people die from other causes: "Well exactly about this is now being written in GB. Huge excess mortality compared to the average of the last five years, and not because of covid!"

While last month you labeled excess deaths as fascist propaganda because the Statistical Office RS published news about excess mortality: "Excess deaths means practically nothing because it doesn't account for changes in population, aging etc. Excess deaths has an increase every year in developed countries. Excellent statistic, of course for fascist propaganda, it suits them very well."

In short, your consistency and credibility is on the level of politicians' sewers.
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pantani130. 08. 2021 07:20:24
Hey, zavest, where did you find that Hillbilly velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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gely30. 08. 2021 07:25:42
interesting.... how corona counting goes - in a village with 200 inhabitants, they tested 300. Today they got results that all 500 in the village are infected velik nasmeh
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Becar30. 08. 2021 09:24:15
Gely, the second picture wins. And that's exactly how it is!
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