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Covid-19, Ukraine

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VanSims27. 12. 2021 20:18:27
Last four things apply to all. Otherwise, I [get] one shot every six months, you [get] nose drilling every time you want to go somewhere.

Who is more free?
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kekec6227. 12. 2021 20:44:29
Pantani, even on intensive care and in a coma they are not free. Some prefer health and life over a moment without freedom. You have no rights to endanger those who care for their health; if you want freedom, move to the wilderness somewhere and there you can do what you like. Living in civilization means that you have some advantages and also sacrifices. For you, civilization is that only you do what you like and others adapt to you.
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zavest27. 12. 2021 20:52:59
Looking at the hospital situation, the staff there might conclude that vaccination against covid-19 has no real effect at all. Every third patient hospitalized due to covid-19 is vaccinated(!?). It's even worse among those over 65 — when we ask hospitalized in this group about vaccination, half are vaccinated. So what's the point of vaccination if there is an equal number of vaccinated and unvaccinated among the hospitalized?

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-> The probability of hospitalization for unvaccinated people depends heavily on age; over 65, it's 10 times higher chance of being hospitalized than for younger ones.

-> With vaccination, all individuals significantly reduce the probability of hospitalization regardless of age. But the big difference between age groups remains even after vaccination.

-> The risk ratio is at least 5 in all age groups. Due to lack of data, this is not a precise estimate but a lower bound, meaning that regardless of whether we are young or old, vaccination reduces the probability of hospitalization by at least 5 times.

Full article and especially for Bećar, mathematically proven nasmeh
https://medium.com/sledilnik/ucinek-cepljenja-8167a2e2b179
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Vincenc5227. 12. 2021 21:14:16
Pantani1, greatest freedom is anarchy, but that will be ok. Because of one vaccination which you're afraid of like the devil the cross, and one mask which you have to wear in the store, and even that some don't give a fuck, come on..., really you're threatened, unfree.
I kinda feel sorry for you. Get on the bike, and in front of parliament. I wonder if you've ever cycled in front of parliament; if not, you're one big egoist, couch potato who looks only at his own ass.
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Becar27. 12. 2021 21:24:11
Ohoho Ivermectin Jurček, never seen anything so mathematically stupid and far-fetched! velik nasmeh

From these assumptions onward, all that's really missing is that they die in an easier way. velik nasmeh

Nice that they're slowly admitting the lying previous stats vaccinated/unvaccinated hospitalized. At least one positive thing of this post mežikanje. But you see they really tried to calculate something, because they realized those lies are too obvious and people via med. whistleblowers found out they lie like a dog runs.

That's what I've been saying all the time, who lies once always lies. And I knew those hospitalization shares were plain rotten lies!

Basically the stated theses are just excuses with which they want to justify vaccines not working in the elderly (first thesis), in the young covid isn't dangerous anyway, they forgot to write that (second thesis).
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Vincenc5227. 12. 2021 21:35:11
zavest for bećar is that higher mathematics, but he'll find an answer already - everything is rigged and end of debate.
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Becar27. 12. 2021 21:51:32
No no no, nothing is rigged Vinko. They now make science from beating the donkey's shadow. That's what it's about. Math into the void or into nothing velik nasmeh

If I express it in an engineering way, they do a PhD from an ordinary M8 screw; in the end it's still just a screw, not a space shuttle mežikanje.
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Vincenc5227. 12. 2021 22:12:26
Blabbering as always, expected as alwaysvelik nasmeh
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Sargon28. 12. 2021 02:11:25
JAPANESE VACCINATION ETHICS
In the USA, with the start of the Biden administration, they promised 100 million vaccinated in 100 days. They even exceeded that, then it started to stop for the simple reason of too many side effects. Post-vax problems were named post-vaccine syndrome, which in insurance healthcare couldn't be addressed. Since interest in vaccination completely fell, they chose the path of coercion: first mandatory for some occupational groups, then expanded the circle, putting responsibility for consequences on the vaccinated. This happened in America and Europe, creating a pandemic and vaccination hysteria never seen before in history. After two years, it's clear it's not about limiting the pandemic and protecting health and lives, as they don't follow basics of public health, epidemiology, immunology, and medical ethics, plus trampling the fundamental spiritual values on which Western civilization is based.

Japan has preserved ethical principles in this area. In the forefront are two principles.
1. Informed consent. They say: although we encourage vaccination, it is not mandatory. It can be carried out only with the person's consent after they receive appropriate information. Vaccinate by your own decision, considering effectiveness in preventing disease and possibility of side effects. No consent, no vaccination. Please do not force anyone to vaccinate and do not discriminate against the unvaccinated.
2. Assistance due to side effects. Vaccination can cause health problems and although rare, the risk cannot be excluded. For this purpose, a assistance system for health costs, compensation, or disability has been established under the Immunization Law.

The above is quoted by US doctor Dr. Suneel Dhand, who says: This is how a state that respects its citizens speaks to them, and the authorities follow basic medical principles, informed consent, and human bodily autonomy.

Dr. Dhand treated many COVID patients, recommends vaccination to all where benefit > risk; for a vaccine that cannot provide collective protection, he says medical ethical principles must be preserved. Meanwhile, the digital Merriam-Webster dictionary corrected the definition of "antivaxxer": to the first explanation that it is a person who opposes vaccination, they added "and who opposes mandatory vaccination orders." Thus, the majority of doctors in Western countries where vaccination was not mandatory, all Japanese doctors, etc., ended up among antivaxxers.

In 2020, we achieved the impossible, returned to 1984, Orwell's. Definitions are changing: WHO changed the definition of herd immunity, CDC changed the rules for recording deaths, natural immunity became a taboo topic, fake expert papers on hydroxychloroquine, and so on.

If someone says it's just one vaccination and one mask, they have probably just woken up from fall-winter hibernation; we're already at three vaccinations, preparing needles for the fourth, and Dr. Fauci charmed with two masks months ago.
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Becar28. 12. 2021 08:13:14
Well they said Japanese are kamikaze, what are we Europeans then velik nasmeh
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pantani128. 12. 2021 08:23:24
Promised you lifelong protection, got lifelong vax and mask wearing. Trust the experts.velik nasmehvelik nasmehzmeden
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pantani128. 12. 2021 08:30:20
If this virus were so deadly as said, then we should burn masks, not have them lying everywhere jezen
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Aljoman28. 12. 2021 10:13:35
Ahh, why complicate so much, it's just one small prick, two, three, four... No devil, after x pricks it won't work.

Why bother, since no one has succeeded yet.
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kekec6228. 12. 2021 10:33:56
Becar doesn't understand this, the disease has to hit him and Pantani in the back and they'll still blame others.
In Dallas anti-vaxxers and Covid 19 deniers had a congress and the vast majority got infected and fell ill with Covid 19 disease. After the event they claimed they were poisoned with Anthrax and even reported it to the police. Police of course didn't find traces of Anthrax, but found Covid19 disease.
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MitjaBelak28. 12. 2021 10:59:32
I share the post.

Price of freedom
2022 is underway and authorities keep spreading disinformation through "main stream" media. They resort to indirect threats and continue setting traps for humanity on their path of pogrom.
People have short memory, more than obvious, but punishment will come through Karma for sure. Acting like nothing happened and no problem, while people are aware of it, won't be enough to remove the problem. Why do I claim they are aware! Mainly because they are constantly in consensus with tragicomic measures, laws and decrees. Nothing wrong with being relaxed and having fun and having whatever privilege you think you deserve as a person. Of course not, as long as it's not at others' expense and this consensus of measures is definitely harmful to all people in the world.
People like going the easiest way of least resistance and taking shortcuts. No shortcuts in life. When seeking shortcuts life constantly throws obstacles to get us back on track. Then we pay the high price. In short, with consensuses in society we put halters on ourselves to be ridden mad by measures, decrees and laws to exhaustion. This became routine where we have no control over life. Such person should ask: "am I really free or living illusion of freedom"?
Halters quietly put on people and hard to escape this trap.
This is how dying demons function who think they control all. Awake ones know control is illusion of user. Chaos masters know they die, must go to end, no escape from earth. Earth is their prison and if fail, never will, can hide only in Antarctica, even there justice hand reaches. What is freedom price today? How many must die for consensus unacceptable to citizen? How many kids die for parents reject authority dictate? Question: what price freedom people? I say: high! High because we took for granted and sailed to darkness by indifference. From darkness we'll rise stronger through experience, won't allow darkness period return this way. War still mental, waiting who nerves break first, but wisdom and light energy don't yield. Must exit comfort zone, stand for descendants freedom now. When critical mass and beyond acceptable line, escalation sure. But still solvable without violence weapons.
If continue this life way, not just halters shape us, silent yoke of total slavery follows. Silent yoke from previous book. Yoke forcing into life, revealing existence misery. Still with stick carrot lead weak mind imperceptibly to dark shepherd goal. As said, moment comes ask freedom price and ready accept? Longer wait, higher price! When answer, create different life new path future, realize freedom priceless.
(Vojko)
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pantani128. 12. 2021 11:01:44
....suspiciously many deaths in last couple weeks due to heart failures....don't you think....booster shots and such....study from Ontario warns about it, ordered by Canadian gov. So not some FB quack journalists!velik nasmeh
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Becar28. 12. 2021 11:52:01
"Becar doesn't understand, disease must hit him and Pantani in the back"

Did you forget that we devils like me and Pantani are immune to covid cold? velik nasmeh

While you mentally prepare for lifelong boosters, we eat popcorn and laugh, something like Hojs in parliament session. mežikanje

Even if they introduce mandatory vaccination, for us tycoons monetary fine is no problem, so I don't care and they can stand on their heads. velik nasmeh Even what they fine, they will have to return someday, those are just wet fascist dreams, nothing else. mežikanje
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starejša28. 12. 2021 12:07:17
a little joke - or rather - is it really a joke?

Third dose strengthens immune system, so after fourth you're protected. When 80% of population receives fifth dose, restrictions can be lifted, since sixth dose stops virus replication and prevents its spread. I am calm and believe that seventh dose will solve our problems, no reason to fear eighth dose. Clinical studies with ninth dose showed that antibodies after tenth dose are more stable. Eleventh dose ensures no new mutations, so no reason to criticize idea of twelfth dose.
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starejša28. 12. 2021 12:10:06
and psychiatric explanation of our active participants, even here on the forum.

Prof. dr. sc. XXXXX: In all bad times many people "turn evil", as the poet Desanka Maksimović said. They mostly divide into two categories. In one are those who have hidden sadistic traits in themselves and who only wait for the moment when they can express them. In the other group are those who are weak and scared, identified with the aggressor and who always submit to every authority. Their childhood was repressive, they had to constantly obey without explanation and without understanding, and later in life they couldn't do much for themselves because they either don't have particularly high intelligence, or simply have no spirituality and creativity which alone save people from madness and disorders. Those from the first group are psychopaths (with a psychopathic trait, or even a whole character) and their pleasure is to tyrannize and maltreat others. Those from the second category are simply weak and poorly structured, infantile personalities and they are not actively, but passively aggressive. Often both of these groups form a symbiotic psychopathological unity, like the executioner and his victim who helps him because she is too weak to resist, so together they commit crimes. In happy times such people may go unnoticed, but when violence, wars, persecutions come, the possibility to unpunishedly maltreat and torture others, they immediately appear, emerge from the mud in which they had slept until then.

In the large group they are not only scared, but also frustrated, complexed, underdeveloped, aggressively structured neurotic and psychotic personalities who may not be psychopaths, but under the pressure of dissatisfaction with themselves, do evil to other people. Here are all perverse structures attracted to petty power over other people. Power to check "Covid ausweis", power to say: I won't let you enter the store, power to stop you somewhere and question you, power to arrest you, power to order masks on faces of everyone except themselves in some school and so on… It is clear that there is no real power anywhere, but they have the illusion of power. I say in jest: a weakling with sexual dysfunctions gets an erection when checking someone's Covid passport. That's not a joke, because there are such wretches… Then they are "strong", then powerful, what they are otherwise not capable of in normal circumstances they fictitiously satisfy in the fictitious power which they actually don't have.

Finally, such people mostly never achieve anything, and in the end usually become victims of great revenges. If among them there are those who have preserved a little super-Ego and are not too dumb, they can sometimes even feel shame when you expose them in front of others. Of course, in the case that they are not in the category of clear psychopaths (because a psychopath does not repent). That's why I always say that you should never calmly obey what they demand from you, of course, except if they threaten your life.
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Becar28. 12. 2021 12:10:33
How football became a dangerous sport in 2021, what do you say. Associated diseases though....
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