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pantani126. 12. 2021 10:41:41
Can someone explain what the purpose of mandatory vaccination would be? More than obvious that vaccination doesn't prevent the spread of infections (e.g. Portugal, France etc.). If the goal of vaccination is to prevent severe course of disease or death, why then push it even on children, for whom the chance of severe course is almost zero? WHO president called the latter killing children (to kill children). Let those who want or feel threatened by the virus get vaccinated at their own discretion.
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Becar26. 12. 2021 11:07:39
Meanwhile, serial sudden deaths of athletes due to strokes continue.

https://www.24ur.com/sport/nogomet/nova-smrt-na-igriscu.html
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VanSims26. 12. 2021 11:40:06
@Becar: "Van. You still don't understand..."

When it suits us, we say they count all positives as covid deaths, when it doesn't, the opposite, right? Same for testing.

@pantani: "I prove with negative test..."

But with that rapid one, which you antivaxxers yourselves say is completely unreliable. If you're wealthy enough, you can test with PCR two, three times a week, sure!

And most of those fulfilling PCT based on testing do so with rapid tests. And then you tell us that we vaccinated spread the virus!

Best would perhaps be a combination of both. Well, when you get vaccinated (i.e. when vaccination rate is at least 90%), I'll test two to three times a week too, depending on errands.
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Becar26. 12. 2021 12:59:29
When and if vaccination rate is 90%, we will join the club of countries with the worst epidemiological picture (Portugal, UK, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, Italy etc.). In short, the club of countries where hospital beds are running out due to "milder course of the disease" and where daily infection records from the start of the epidemic are being broken by a factor of 3, 4 compared to the second worst result. nasmeh

Some really don't learn anything. You have proof in the palm of your hand, but still contradict. This madness will hit such people the hardest, you will be entirely to blame or your naivety has no bounds. I get vaccinated to protect others. Yeah right! We really see across Europe how this is going. velik nasmeh

P.S.: my aunt in her 70s got seriously ill with covid a few days after the booster and it's questionable if she won't have to go to hospital. Now she's wondering the same as you probably would, if the reason isn't that she waited too long for the booster! And another example, mom's vaccinated colleague doesn't dare visit unvaccinated mom, even though as vaccinated she has 1,300 units of antibodies, mom has 17,000 as recovered velik nasmeh

They manipulated you well. Life will pass you by, you who live in mortal fear of covid. Because this madness won't end nicely, that's already visible.
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zavest26. 12. 2021 13:23:13
Becar, again I fully agree with you: "Some really don't learn anything. You have proof on your palm, but still contradict. This madness will hit such people the hardest, you will be entirely to blame or your naivety has no bounds."

Otherwise we look at this completely from the opposite angle, but what you wrote is living truth velik nasmeh

I hope Santa or Grandpa Frost brought you all sufficient amounts of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine velik nasmeh
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julius26. 12. 2021 14:21:59
I just received this letter.


DEAR PRIME MINISTER, HELLO –

thank you for remembering me, and that after not seeing each other for over thirty years! Nice that you think of me and Bernardo, who also received a letter today, sincere thanks also on her behalf!

But I must immediately note that you are still hardly less superficial than in the 1980s. In the letter to Bernardo – I read it to see if you mention any other, more feminine things, but the text is the same – I see that you address her as _Dear Sir_, not _Dear Madam_, as befits her honor. Especially since you knew her, as she worked at MikroAda, so you surely knew her gender! It's not good for such carelessness to creep into the letter.

I note this entirely well-meaning. In this regard, I really watched over you back then – you probably remember I corrected your grammar? It was about that writing of yours on the equal use of Slovenian in JLA, which Zlobec and I published for you in Problemi. My co-editor gave you a bunch of style advice, I corrected your grammar.
I fixed quite a few commas for you, although on average there was nothing wrong with them: as many as there were too many in one place, that many were missing elsewhere.

You surely remember this, as you yourself wrote about it in _Premiki_ (p. 20) like this:

"In prison and later I often wondered why they imprisoned precisely me. It's true that I wrote and published things that others only whispered. For example, Jaša Zlobec convinced me in 1986 to write a treatise for the magazine Problemi on the equality of the Slovenian language in JLA, in which I demanded nationally homogeneous units. He obligingly provided all the necessary literature and gave me a series of tips. Only when they attacked me from all sides and the generals demanded criminal prosecution did I wonder why Jaša, who knows Slovenian much better than me, didn't write that article himself."

Why didn't Jaša Zlobec write that article himself? Well, I can explain that, as I was there all the time. Mainly he didn't write it because you knew the Yugoslav People's Army much better than him! You graduated in defense studies and had the appropriate party function in the League of Socialist Youth of Slovenia: you were its secretary for general popular resistance and social self-protection! And otherwise it would be out of place for Zlobec to write about JLA, who like me never even served in the military due to conscientious objection (and critics could thus rightly reject us as unqualified to write about these things)!

And finally – the idea and wish were yours! You came to us, not we to you! Your insinuation (which at least implies that Jaša was a coward, and underneath that he was UDBA) seems to me a textbook example of logic that can see conspiracy even in the most impeccable actions.

That's all regarding your commas and paranoia.

My second remark concerns the font size in the letter. If you really care about us vulnerable ones, i.e. old men and women, you surely know we can't read fine print. Old eyes are simply too tired for that. Don't you realize that straining the eyes (and brain) alone can trigger Herxheimer storm – a furious reaction where defensive T cells attack the lung tissue of their host, which is then attributed to covid? Of course the phenomenon is not everyday, but with two million letters even 0.1 percent incidence means two thousand (2000) dead. People might hold you directly responsible!

I understand why the letters are small – you have bad advisors. Someone told you "more is better", so you wrote such a long letter, which I, a writer, wrote at most to my late father, also a writer. (Of course that was when he wasn't late yet.)

Do you really think your citizens have so much time to read such a novel-fresco? If you had asked me for advice – and I would gladly give it – I would tell you that people nowadays must spend at least four hours a day complying with your covid decrees – you know, queuing, washing and ironing protective masks, searching for testing and vaccination centers, dialing unresponsive health institution numbers, self-examining lumps and hardenings because such checks are temporarily suspended, self-listening because cardio departments are occupied – so poor people have little time left for reading. I would condense your urging into at most fifteen lines, and not forget to highlight important points in bold.

Then content – I have a couple remarks here too.

Have you really forgotten your former merits? That in the leaden times before the shifts you "wrote and published things that others only whispered"? That is missing from this letter from the heart! Why, for example, do you say that "expectations /of eradicating the virus/ ... have been realized, but only where a large majority is vaccinated", when even sparrows on the roofs chirp that the infection rate is highest precisely in the most vaccinated countries – say in the United Kingdom, Israel, Austria, Netherlands – everywhere where the leaky vaccine has already threatened the natural immunity of the population.

Hey, vaccine isn't cookie!

Not to be only critical: I really like your reference to unity:
"Our common ... enemy is the virus that threatens all. We must defeat it, and we can do that only together." These decisive words show that you have finally left behind divisions into "ours" and commies, heir of Karantenija and elf from Murgel, pure Slovenes and migrants. Really promising, this thought that we will soon live in brotherly harmony, waving injection needles in the fight against the enemy!

Your argument that "vaccinated ... already billions of people on the planet and with such numbers nothing can be hidden" also suits me.
You are surely qualified to speak about it, with your long rich political experience. When you say that with billions nothing can be hidden, you also skillfully hint that much can be hidden when it comes to just two million inhabitants.

In the letter you especially thank the already vaccinated, saying they have "protected ... also their nearest, community, country and finally our planet". But you forgot to warn them that vaccination does nothing – otherwise there would be no need to sell vaccinated a "booster dose", the first in the series that I now prophetically name "From Here to Eternity".

Finally, back to my professional deformation, grammar correction. I see you write "you will decide more easily". Since it's adverbial use, not adjective, only the adverb is appropriate, so "you will decide more easily". True, the comparative "more easily" evokes unpleasant associations, but you have to accept that.

In the future I would just like you to say more about the unvaccinated. Maybe praise us too, because we act responsibly, as we don't spread the virus beyond the borders of our segregation, while you vaccinated, who are allowed entry anywhere without test, have plenty of opportunities for its uncontrolled spreading among crowds. It wouldn't be right for (un)vaccination status to become a subject of division. After all, there's one serious difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated: unvaccinated don't die from mysterious – and mysteriously overlooked – heart attacks.

I use this opportunity to ask you to convey my heartfelt greetings also to your current wife. It's good to have medical help by your side in these times, even if not strictly cardiological.

With due respect,

Branko Gradišnik,
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VanSims27. 12. 2021 05:53:18
@Becar: precisely in those countries they have the best picture, they just panic earlier. We already said that. And precisely Netherlands, Germany and UK, which I don't know why you put in that club, actually have vaccination rate only about 10% higher than us, have the worst picture among those countries.

Otherwise Westerners are stupid, we Easterners who don't vaccinate are very smart right. Just like we were smart with socialism for example.
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VanSims27. 12. 2021 05:55:00
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Becar27. 12. 2021 09:56:18
When I briefly saw that the article denies a pedophile sect at the highest state level, I immediately concluded that they are the clients of this news.

They caught them with a finger in the jam (Epstein), and you still deny. So you are their supporter?
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VanSims27. 12. 2021 11:03:08
@Becar: explain this to me in more detail, because I don't follow all conspiracy theories, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Of course I know about Epstein, yes he was a pedophile, I know that. That there are pedophile networks (not just one), that have everything bribed, from police, judiciary, ... while (similarly as e.g. with drugs and other crime) only small fish get caught, i.e. end users of services, those who have a couple pedophile pics, ... is also clear.

But what does this article have to do with it? So these antivaxxers are fighting pedophiles, or what zmeden Well, at least something useful from them.
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Becar27. 12. 2021 11:16:31
Epstein - Clinton - Trump - Gates - Prince Andrew - Barr - Acosta - Mitchell - Richardson tip of the iceberg.

I didn't know you don't know how to use Google.

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pantani127. 12. 2021 11:27:17
If I'm unvaccinated and positive (because I test) I'm dangerous to society, because I threaten it and must isolate so not to kill (propaganda) someone in society. If I'm vaccinated I'm good and not dangerous to society, I don't test, if I get sick I can calmly walk around and kill (propaganda) everyone around me without problem. I don't know how they can sell this to more than 50% of the nation.....you really are the flower of intellect. velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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VanSims27. 12. 2021 11:50:51
@Becar: not that I don't know, but these conspiracy theories don't interest me that much. That's why I asked you, the expert.

But, I still don't know what this has to do with antivaxxers and their meeting where they got infected. zmeden
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Becar27. 12. 2021 12:30:22
Fake news triggered by the covid mafia. You have examples also here almost daily in the media.

What conspiracy theories are you babbling? Epstein was locked up, where he supposedly committed suicide, and even that is not exactly known. He was a treasure trove for testifying against the above-mentioned influential figures.
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VanSims27. 12. 2021 12:53:34
"Epstein was locked up, where he supposedly committed suicide, and even that is not exactly known. He was treasure trove for testifying against the above mentioned influencers."

Hinting that it wasn't suicide is already a conspiracy theory! I don't say it's not likely. I believe in some too or better said, allow them as possible.

What is fake news now? The meeting itself or infections or that they said they infected them with anthrax?

And I still don't know exactly what pedophiles have to do with it. That covid mafia = pedophile mafia or at least largely overlap?
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Becar27. 12. 2021 13:04:19
Conspiracy theory is also that covid vaccines help. Possible, but no evidence. Or rather, evidence so far points in the direction that these vaccines harm. What is a conspiracy theory depends only on which perspective you look at the situation from.
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Vincenc5227. 12. 2021 16:06:25
Good that they weren't vaccinated, what would it be if they were vaccinated. Becar will explain, like for Gojc.
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VanSims27. 12. 2021 16:08:19
OK whatever, didn't get answers to questions, only evasions.
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kekec6227. 12. 2021 16:10:26
Some theories once labeled conspiracy theories turned out true later. Among them e.g.:

Reichstag fire (1933)
Staged German attack on German radio station in Gleiwitz, Poland (1939)
Operation Gladio
Project MKULTRA (development of mind control methods)
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pantani127. 12. 2021 18:26:50
3x VAX+BOOSTER + PCR + ONSITE TEST+ MASK ALWAYS+ ALL QR CODES+ DISTANCE+FEWER SERVICES FOR MORE €. You are free.... velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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