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| zavest5. 03. 2023 12:44:34 |
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| Sargon5. 03. 2023 16:02:51 |
The above story, incredibly similar to the American one, with congresswoman's husband in the main role. American one ended as usual with Hollywood happy end, Russian one traditionally by Dostoevsky's recipe.
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| zavest8. 03. 2023 14:23:17 |
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| gely9. 03. 2023 04:32:02 |
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| Becar9. 03. 2023 07:53:42 |
Jurček, how do you praise America and Julian Assange? Are foreign assassinations and US wars without UN approval special military operation or something else? What about kidnappings of foreign citizens and torture in illegal Guantanamo? Is that democracy?
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| zavest9. 03. 2023 15:12:32 |
Classic "whataboutism", when you have no answer, redirect to "what about them" or "but USA and West also make mistakes". Of course, no one says they are perfect and they should also answer in The Hague for war crimes. But believers and those who think black-and-white don't get it. Same tune as with covid and Jajot, e.g.: whoever is not with us is against us.
The matter is simple: anyone can criticize America and the West at length, anywhere, anyhow. That's called freedom of speech, you know 
Try criticizing Russia and the war, pardon, "special military operation" in Russia, let's see you hero  Even less, try holding a blank paper in the middle of Moscow, or literally "two words" written on it, and report.
As mentioned, I'm sure many would gladly contribute financially for your Russian trip and live stream
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| Becar9. 03. 2023 18:10:01 |
Aaaa no no no, this is no whataboutism. These are equal measures for all. And if you mention Russia's sins, you should always mention the much greater sins of the USA first. You know where to start from. From Hiroshima and Nagasaki onwards. Otherwise, it's extremely funny to me when Ursula and Roberta mention the international court for Russians, they always forget the Americans too. We have to go in order, like the houses in Trieste, they used to say. We can't judge Russians if we still have a whole historical list to judge the USA. These calls are even funnier because neither Russia nor the USA recognize international courts. It's just beating the air, pure Western propaganda.
Of course it's clear that it's in the USA's interest for their crimes to continue being ignored, as they have so far. Fortunately we now have a more balanced world, besides Russia there's China, India, S. Korea, Brazil, South Africa, Iran, Pakistan etc....if they weren't there, we'd all be American slaves long ago.
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| zavest10. 03. 2023 00:10:30 |
> Besides Russia there's China, India, S. Korea, Brazil, South Africa, Iran, Pakistan
Wow, what a bouquet. In how many of these countries do you think you can publicly express criticism of the authorities as freely as we can in the West? And that you can write on the internet there like here, practically whatever you want, as long as it's not specifically defined in the penal code?
In at least 6 out of 8 mentioned countries you go to jail 100% for even mild criticism of the authorities in the best case, in the less favorable case they beat you right away, in the worst case you go die in a re-education camp or to the front.
Freedom of speech as we know it here and in the West in general, most of these countries don't have. I hope that's clear to you? You're so loud from the comfy home couch and safe EU home, but in reality women in Iran have more balls when they go protest against the regime, knowing that without hijabs they carry their head for sale, literally.
And if you read well, I wrote that the USA should also answer for war crimes. And say for the gondola in Italy that a military plane shot down.
But it's clear from covid already that deep reading gives you trouble, even if you just need to read positive and negative figures in a table 
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| VanSims10. 03. 2023 05:36:44 |
Yikes, Russia's sins go far back into Tsarist Russia, no need to talk about that... I'd say they've killed more of them by now than Americans all together since Hiroshima.
USA's sins are and will remain, that's a fact. As I said, I was at demonstrations in support of Ukraine, but I was also at those twenty years ago against the aggression in Iraq.
Currently the problem is Russia and its brutal aggression on Ukraine and there's no sense looking back now. When America starts shitting again, we'll talk about it then. And I don't feel like living in the USA at all, but if I had to, I'd rather live there than in any country you listed. That S. Korea is in between borders on grotesqueness. Regarding balance that is...
I have a buddy enthusiastic Putinist who tries to convince me that Russia and China are more democratic than Europe and USA. Then I remembered Breivik who said that delegations from Russia and China should come see what miserable conditions are in Norwegian prisons.
To be clear, nowhere is democracy as it should be, but next time I'll tell my buddy exactly what @zavest suggested: go to Red Square or Tiananmen and yell against Putin or the party there. OK, as a foreigner they might just expel you, as a local it wouldn't end well for you. But boo in front of the White House at Biden, whether foreigner or local, in the worst case you'll get a fine for disturbing public order and peace if you're too loud.
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| Becar10. 03. 2023 07:45:59 |
I listed some of the largest military powers outside NATO. Among them those with nuclear weapons. And that's the balance I was talking about. That's why it's perfectly fine with me that S. Korea has it too or that Iran would have it. This creates balance in the world, INCREASES security and prevents exploitation and dominance of the chosen ones. Although Americans have been brainwashing the whole world including their own population for decades about how the mentioned countries threaten world peace, the matter is actually the opposite.
Remember the American assassination of the head of the Iranian rev. guard during a visit in Iraq. In retaliation, the Iranians rocketed an American military base and what happened then? Nothing, they saw it's not good to mess with Iranians and the matter was settled.
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| zavest10. 03. 2023 10:23:10 |
You said that well. Now explain to us which country had nuclear weapons and gave them up in exchange for a security guarantee from Russia that it wouldn't be attacked
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| julius10. 03. 2023 13:47:03 |
Gentlemen.
Where was the biggest genocide committed?
On the territory of today's USA.
Of course that doesn't count, because they were "Indians". Those few tens of millions of "savages" are not worth mentioning.
You also forgot Dresden. There according to Allies' estimates they killed only about 20,000 civilians, mostly refugees. According to Germans over 200,000. To wash their conscience, the British wanted to implicate Russians, that they did it at their request.
One atomic bomb wasn't enough. They dropped two and watched how the poor wretches literally fried.
How many millions of victims in Vietnam?
That doesn't count again, because they were "yellow".
Where next?
Iraq?
Afghanistan?
Libya?
Palestine and American friends Israelis?
Yes of course, all that was in the name of democracy and for democracy.
As for American democracy, let them keep it themselves. I'd rather be in prison than have some deputy sheriff strangle me in the middle of the street, or some idiot shoot me in the middle of a shopping center for fun.
Guys- use your brains and think with your own head.
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| Becar10. 03. 2023 18:29:26 |
@zavest: The same country that violated the Minsk agreement
Remember the nuclear missiles in Cuba and draw parallels.
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| Sargon10. 03. 2023 18:51:59 |
And which country agreed to German unification, withdrew its army from East Germany and dissolved the Warsaw Pact with the assurance that NATO would not expand eastward?
And which country kept its army in Germany 70 years after WW2, placed medium-range nuclear missiles on the territories of Germany, Poland and Romania and at the same time withdrew from the agreement concerning these missiles? And which country destroyed the basic energy infrastructure of its "ally", but the gas pipeline from Russia through Ukraine still operates?
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| Becar11. 03. 2023 21:32:19 |
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| VanSims13. 03. 2023 13:57:36 |
24ur is a lefty portal! If they still are, since I stopped reading them precisely because of fascism and violation of freedom of speech when locking and moderating comments.
So why lock commenting if practically (1 in 100) there's no danger of 'politically incorrect' comment?
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| Becar13. 03. 2023 18:56:14 |
Van, depends what is politically incorrect comment for you. For me there were 99 correct, 1 incorrect. For 24(Cenz)hours the situation is exactly opposite. So there can't be anything else but they forgot to lock.
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| naiven13. 03. 2023 19:14:36 |
Just today I saw in one of the customs warehouses in Slovenia that one of the Slovenian carriers brought a whole truck of SCOTT BIKES ... which will be transferred to another truck ..... the shipment is intended for UKRAINE because I heard the driver say in the warehouse that he has customs goods for Ukraine !!! And I asked the driver a bit if it's not a bit strange that a country at war buys new Scott bikes? And he said that up to Kyiv everything is normal and calm !!! There's war in the country, but Ukrainians will ride new bikes between tanks or what?
In Kyiv they have concerts every weekend that tickets are already all sold out or what? ?
great reset was probably created by communists.
TITO was the illegitimate son of drunk Winston CHURCHILL and an ugly Jewish prostitute!!!
of course killer TITO was just a regular CLOWN
And sworn yugophiles say how the whole world was afraid of Yugoslavia and that the yugopassport was the only one in the world that you could go anywhere without a visa???? .... so why did Yugoslavs go to the USA to succeed?? And why did they then go to Trieste by bus to smuggle jeans and coffee??? And why didn't Americans mass migrate to Yugoslavia then. ... I fuck communism up the A...S !!! BLACK HAND knew how to take care of communists.
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| VanSims14. 03. 2023 11:08:31 |
@Becar: for me every opinion is correct as long as it doesn't insult anyone, locking commenting is for me a violation of freedom of speech, that's why I put "incorrect" in quotes.
But you have to look deeper into the matter to understand why they still didn't forget to lock commenting. 24ur writes in left jargon i.e. 'let's pretend we stand on Ukraine's side, in reality we are die-hard putinists' Which Ukrainians of course figured out incidentally and that's why they are reserved towards the current government and their representatives who visit them, which of course left media won't tell you.
So, we create the impression of pro-Ukrainism, readers (who are mostly left here) will already say where things stand on our side of the political pole and say all that which we officially can't.
How our left has double standards and morality, one for Europe and one for domestic public, was seen for example also at the failed attempt at Catalonia's independence. At home everyone from Kučan downwards trumpeted how Catalonia deserves independence (which I personally agree with of course), in Europe they did absolutely nothing for it, even more, they trumpeted more or less in the same horn as EU and crawled to Spaniards where the back loses honest name. Same sh..t as now, only then (in my opinion) their domestic stance was correct.
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| pantani114. 03. 2023 11:42:35 |
Van, then tell me why exactly articles about Ukraine are locked for commenting, well I'll tell you, because they fear the reaction, because Slovenes do not support the war, much less Ukraine!!!
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