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| Becar21. 03. 2021 08:59:36 |
Janez52, in Slovenia it is officially stated by NIJZ that under mortality due to covid they counted all death cases where covid was also detected. Meaning deaths FROM covid and WITH covid are united in statistics. Hence the difference in what I say and what you show.
I read articles about the fact that real mortality is comparable to flu. Meaning under 1%.
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| Janez5221. 03. 2021 09:31:08 |
As always, the devil lies in the details. With great availability of various information and disinformation, it's hard to create a real picture. In the end, a person always believes what they are ready to believe.
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| fpetel121. 03. 2021 11:15:34 |
Still looking at data from the Diamond Princess ship, where there were officially 712 infected. 14 people died - within about 5 weeks. If you look at the population of 700 people on the ship, I think the expected mortality in the following weeks is almost 2%, right?
Other indicators also showed that the data are genuine. Comparison with flu is unfounded because flu annually affects much fewer people than covid and spreads more slowly in the population.
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| Becar21. 03. 2021 13:21:51 |
One ship is too small a sample for good statistics. What if there were mostly pensioners on the ship?
But I don't even believe that covid is more contagious than flu. When they started the panic, they tested everyone who sniffed a bit for covid. How much testing was there for flu confirmation? The doctor said: here is a box of Lekadol, and drink lots of tea. You didn't even know you had the flu. Same now: you don't know you have covid unless you go get tested. In the winter half of the year, people always had colds and always will.
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| Becar21. 03. 2021 14:23:44 |
Another burlesque. Brother and his wife, who 14 days ago were confirmed to have gotten covid 19, yesterday for fun both got tested for antibodies and both were negative. They had symptoms like with annual colds.
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| julius21. 03. 2021 15:10:57 |
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| Becar21. 03. 2021 16:00:34 |
If someone doesn't understand German, the graphs show mortality in nursing homes before and after vaccination. After vaccination mortality drastically increased. Authorities and experts of course talk about coincidence, which we're used to anyway.
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| parenzo21. 03. 2021 17:03:07 |
Come on, calm down with this agitation against vaccination and various fake news.
Thousands and thousands of the world's leading scientists and infectologists know more than a couple of mushroom-picking plumbers!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54947661
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| lino21. 03. 2021 17:51:58 |
Parenzo, that's harsh criticism for us masters on the forum.
The government is really trying to shine a light at the end of the tunnel for us. But we live in times of democracy and everyone can interpret it their own way and is a general after the battle. Thousands and thousands of the world's leading scientists and infectologists surely know more than our forum elite. Even though we're not flies either. 
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| VanSims21. 03. 2021 18:24:30 |
@Becar! In Germany there are 294 district (LK) and 107 city (SK) districts. Where are the data for the others? Similar to taking some 10-20 out of our 300 municipalities where the vaccinated share increased since the start of vaccination (since vaccination only started on 28.12. and there will still be individual local outbreaks, especially at such vaccination pace) and then proving with that that covid deaths increased across the whole country ...
But I strongly agree with what you wrote about vaccination certificates. Within EU unnecessary. For travel out of EU yes. To risky countries where they won't be vaccinated and where the disease will linger.
@primoza: Whether Šarec would have handled it better or not are speculations. In the first wave Janša as soon as he took the helm introduced proper measures that Šarec and his didn't even dream of.
In the second the government made many mistakes. How much Janša is to blame and how much others is a question. Mistake with vaccine is the least. 500,000 unordered out of otherwise ordered 7,000,000, at the pace vaccines arrive, means we might have 5-10,000 more vaccinated now.
Worse was late action at the start of the second wave, too much relaxation of measures in summer, not closing border with Croatia, ... But again, question what Šarec would do.
And Sputnik procurement would suit Janša more than Šarec. Not so much because Orban got it too, but because he's more the type who dares to say or do something different than ordered from Brussels. The previous ones were servile and just nodded to what Brussels said.
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| Becar21. 03. 2021 19:09:09 |
@Vansims "Where are the data for the others?"
You can dig up the data for the others.
But I can tell you a Slovenian example DSO Hrastnik, where you know it was the worst with covid. Well, in 2019 more elderly died than in 2020. But with the difference that all in 2020 died from covid, right. No one from old age.
Well, today my list of close covid sick increased to 11, uncle's family got infected. But they didn't even know they had covid, because wife had to go for operation, they tested her before and she was positive. Unfortunately operation now off due to ebola. Pardon, due to cold.
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| Becar21. 03. 2021 20:01:01 |
Slovenian-style folly is more narrow-mindedness, that some don't even see the tens of thousands of protesters in European cities yesterday. That is, they only see as far as the neighbor, how he drives alone in the car with a mask.
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| Trobec21. 03. 2021 20:24:12 |
Primož, I don't know how much explanation from someone who "knows something" helps you, if you've been commenting, not to say reviewing opinions of those who KNOW VERY WELL. Probably the best among us (hint: Mario Fafangel).
And no, "crowd in the open" doesn't mean all hikers at Kamniško sedlo on a nice weekend. That means Prešeren Square and Triple Bridge at peak tourist season (of course not 2020).
But I fully agree, with mask at Kamniško sedlo you really don't endanger anyone. No added value either. Above all it doesn't mean you're better than others because of that.
And correct conclusion is also that any government would have handled better. Especially less hostility and insults. Roughly though...measures not decided in Ljubljana, but somewhere else.
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| redbull22. 03. 2021 06:04:39 |
Covid came to power so there's no boredom. If it weren't for that, this topic wouldn't exist and we couldn't write. Everything is good for something
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| korl22. 03. 2021 08:19:43 |
You are a crowd to yourself in life
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| Majdag22. 03. 2021 13:50:40 |
Every smile counts..
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| Becar23. 03. 2021 17:50:20 |
Damn, more than a hundred thousand vaccinated and more every day, and we have a rise in infections, 3rd wave etc.... Let whoever can understand.
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| redbull23. 03. 2021 18:43:09 |
Borut got vaccinated in the morning, in the afternoon he chopped wood full throttle. Dec worked for the first time, seems he'll need to get infected multiple times. Put differently: those who believe they got vaccinated might really need vaccination
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