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andi24. 04. 2021 10:04:03
Just as a suggestion, perhaps I can propose it, since I opened this monster in good faith last year. The purpose was exactly that - a dump so the rest of the forum stays clean. Still, this somehow doesn't belong on hribi.net anymore. Especially since I personally know how things really look, even though I don't agree with some measures myself. Doesn't matter. So I don't drag out the debate on a holiday.
Tadej - is there a possibility to put the portal up for public vote if the Covid debate is closed? Thank you very much. I hope the option exists and a yes answer will be reached. Best regards, Andrej
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jax4. 04. 2021 10:19:59
Against. If there's a general discussions section, then you can debate everything. How would the rules be written then - we can talk about everything except the virus? The only alternative is to abolish general discussions altogether. But I think we'd lose more than gain with that.
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jax4. 04. 2021 10:24:39
And also, as I've said many times - as long as there are movement restrictions and some authorities limit our choice of mountaineering goals, it's completely illusory to expect that on mountaineering sites we wouldn't constantly bump into the epidemic.
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VanSims4. 04. 2021 10:30:39
Here I'd agree with @jax. @andi2, your intention was completely right and it's achieved. So I don't know why we'd abolish it.
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andi24. 04. 2021 11:04:04
Ok, thanks for your opinions, which I particularly appreciate because they come from active forum users. I'm a bit sorry because older users say that someone is turning away from the portal because of this topic (conversation of almost legendary users - drapr, locanka in the neighboring thread). And these are exactly the people from whom we get tons of data on routes and hidden beauties of our country. Even if we don't always agree completely - hats off to all forum veterans for your effort and contributions. For Covid we can decide together and democratically anyway. Best regards
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VanSims4. 04. 2021 11:16:31
@Becar: The problem with conspiracy theories isn't in them themselves. Some (as seen from one of my links) even hold true and many others we still don't know. That's why it's called a 'theory'. When proven, it's 'dogma', if proven false, it's a 'lie'.

I don't reject them outright either. I assign a certain percentage of probability to each. Including those about Covid. It ranges from negligibly small to say some rare ones up to 80, 90 %.

But there are two problems with such theories: their number and the aggressiveness of their proponents. Attention, not all who believe but those who spread them. You're worse than all churches (except maybe Jehovah's Witnesses). Set in concrete and cemented: this is true and period! No objections!

And your aggressive communication style (which by the way we attribute to the government but yours is even worse) simply repels people. If I quote you for example: "Is it so hard to come to terms with the corona scam? Some realize sooner, some later, your time will come too. Some just take longer to get it."

That's an aggressive communication style. I'm right, no objections. You'll see! People don't feel good around such authoritarians so they flee from them and avoid them. Like a child being scolded by mom: "One day you'll see I was right!"

Then as said, a multitude of them. And you have to believe all. If not, you're poor, ignorant, brainwashed... (aggressiveness). You can believe one (or someone aggressively pulls you into it) but then you have to believe the second, third, tenth... otherwise you get it over the head right away.

Churches and religions work similarly: whoever doesn't believe in our faith and our god is a pagan and infidel. And we have so much to say against the church. But they (at least Catholic) are still very very mild compared to most conspiracy theorists.

So you have to believe in conspiracy theories, in churches (regardless of the fact that both often contradict each other and sometimes even one with itself). Horror!

But that's not all: then you have to support environmentalists, feminists, LGBT (soon it will be that you're weird if you don't belong to them) and you have to be vegan too.

In short, a mess where only common sense and own judgment help you. For every theory, faith, ideology, you build your own attitude. It's not set in concrete but at least for me, depending on facts, it can change. But compelling facts!

As I said, it's not said that every member of these theories and groups is aggressive. And they can be perfectly fine in private life as friends, acquaintances, colleagues... Specifically with vegans I have different experiences: with one I talked nicely and he even let me explain my view on the matter. What he thought, of course I don't know.

Then I talked with an aggressive vegan woman. Me: "I actually like animals..." Her: "If you like them, why do you eat them then!" Later we moved to a religious view. Her: "Jesus was vegan!" Me: "How, if he fed the multitude in the desert with fish and ate the Easter lamb with the apostles!" Her: "The Holy Scripture is forged!" Well, then it gets messy...

You @Becar are promoting the theory of pharmaceutical conspiracy. But there are many many theories about covid too. That was my point when I said everyone has their own. Mine, if any, would be that the virus escaped from the lab. That doesn't seem unlikely to me and I wouldn't be surprised (at least not too much) if it turned out to be true. Which of course doesn't affect my awareness of the virus's danger and attitude towards measures. Natural or from the lab, it's here and we'll have to live with it.
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Majdag4. 04. 2021 14:17:27

Every smile counts..nasmeh
- Every smile counts..1
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Becar4. 04. 2021 14:26:40
VanSims, they say you get what you give. No need to insult differently minded with flat-earthers, antivaxxers, leftists etc. Regarding flat-earthers I can tell you that I passed exams in math and physics at the faculty of mechanical engineering university studies, inquire a bit what level those subjects were there. I use that knowledge even now at work. Regarding antivaxxers I can tell you that I have done all necessary vaccinations so far and I also get vaccinated regularly for tick-borne meningoencephalitis. For covid cold I just won't, I have enough personal experiences, intelligence, education behind me to judge by my own mind right now what about covid is true and what not. As I said, for me personal experiences with covid count most. A year ago I was worried too because of scaremongering, now I see the matter as I think it should be. It's true that with the official 3rd wave and introduction of masks outdoors some covid measure supporters disappeared from the debate, so I don't see the problem in communication but more in that reasonable arguments are running out. Realizing that you lived long in delusion (while the elite threw public money into bottomless bags) can be painful. And happy holidays to all.
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parenzo4. 04. 2021 20:00:16
Every smile counts..

""….I can tell you that I passed exams in math and physics at the faculty of mechanical engineering university studies.."
"... I have enough personal experiences, intelligence, education behind me to judge by my own mind even now...."
"…. for me personal experiences with covid count most...""

I thought we were talking at least to a scientist, Dr. Prof. in immunology and virology, but on the other side a failed student is pounding...
velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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Becar4. 04. 2021 21:19:35
Parenzo, did you successfully finish elementary school, first that, to see if it's worth replying to you? Then just ask what culture is. Then quickly to confession for those ugly words. That's you cultured supporters of measures whose shape Vansims has such a good opinion of. By the way, regarding the failed student, I successfully finished faculty on time and got employed right after. You won't believe, for a certain time I even worked in pharmacy. I have also done high school biology, chemistry, psychology, sociology, I passed matura with five fives. Chemistry was passed at faculty with 10/10, all points, as the best in my year. Besides university education I have competencies in business and company management, accounting, I fluently speak 3 foreign languages. My good friend and former classmate is Dr. of pharmacy, researcher, we often talk about technology and pharmacy, about our participations and awards from various natural science competitions during studies.... What competencies and social circles do you have so we can bring the debate to the proper level?
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VanSims5. 04. 2021 06:38:44
That, if someone is an intellectual (which I believe you are), means nothing. Supporters of conspiracy theories (a supporter of one of them and not all of them, as you impute to me, anyway you are one based on your writing) can be from an ordinary worker to a doctor.

Milošević and his conspiracy theories against the Serbian people were supported by almost the entire then Serbian intellectual elite. I remember, for example, Desanka Maksimović. Well, probably in her old age it had already started to snap ...

Or say Svetlana Makarović. God help her primitive statements. And as a child I happily read her fairy tales. Well, she should have stayed there.

(Sapramiškina's 'fucking road' is just a legendary smile and in today's 'liberal' times they would surely crucify her for it, saying how she spoils children!)
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parenzo5. 04. 2021 07:06:25
velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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felix5. 04. 2021 08:20:38
From FB (copy/paste): Dear parents and students! Next week we will have classes at Rutarju. We meet at 8.30. We will have SLJ class in the room with couches (literature - bring readings) and MAT in the room with carpets (perimeter and area). Then snack in the lower canteen, bring coupons. Then we will have ŠPO (relay race with shopping carts) and GUM in the room with pots (rhythmic accompaniment of music from speakers). Best regards, the teacher. Between 1st and 11th April our furniture salons in Maribor and Ljubljana remain open during regular working hours...
(My addition) Let who can understand...
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parenzo5. 04. 2021 08:41:19
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gely5. 04. 2021 08:42:54
and history repeats itself ..... the immunologist said ... "Swine flu was a fake pandemic triggered by pharmaceutical companies that earned billions due to world fear .... pharmaceutical lobbies influenced the WHO to declare a pandemic. The government's pandemic announcement was the green light for purchasing millions of vaccine doses. Pharmaceutical companies rubbed their hands contentedly while health ministries tried to procure money for the vaccine. "Pharmaceutical companies influenced scientists, doctors and health services worldwide to ensure profit,"
Truth - one of the biggest medical scandals in history. "We had moderate flu and fake epidemic." Let's compare the last three pandemic madnesses "with thinking", bird, swine and corona flu. What do they have in common? Fear, helplessness and unquestionable compliance? Why? So that we all remember well that we need a solution! And the "solution of all solutions" is in MANDATORY vaccination of ALL! Pharmaceutical population thinning - in plain words ... too many of us
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andi25. 04. 2021 08:46:33
No, that's just what was missing in this debate - how various exams, school success, doctorates and similar crap help with the level of debate, attitude to fellow people and knowledge. Yeah, good thing I have all that, otherwise God help, how would I even behave and debate without it, right?nasmeh let's stop with the Slovenian logic of the little man. Anyway, measures are there. Government will. We (logically) gradually disagree with most procedures. The vaccine helps a bit, doesn't help a bit. And it'll be a long time we'll have to coexist with this viral plague. Until then every day legs to the hill, until it burns in calves and bronchimežikanje For politics and its influence we can say what we joked in high school when waiting for the teacher and wanting to skip - the sky iscool
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Becar5. 04. 2021 09:15:41
3.4.2020: 41 confirmed infections
3.4.2021: 720 confirmed infections

Bravo measures, bravo vaccination! Yeah right, we're to blame ourselves because we're morons. The municipality just locked the children's swing with a steel cable, because obviously after vaccination the hotspot has escaped from health centers and hospitals to children's playgrounds.
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VanSims5. 04. 2021 11:28:01
@primoza: here I think the police acted correctly. After all, they followed all precautionary measures that applied before the lockdown. Of course, I don't support violations.

Unlike that couple who didn't even polish the cop or those Maribor guys, of whom probably few are actually affected by the measures and protest because they can't drink in pubs and taverns with their beer brothers anymore. velik nasmeh

https://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/potniki-lacni-in-zejni-cakali-na-testiranje-na-brniku-tudi-prespali/575464

These are really poor. They had to wait a few hours at Brnik. Regardless that MNZ warned against travel at this time, when you can even get stuck somewhere not just for a couple hours.

How many times I traveled at night by ferry e.g. to Britain and waited at terminals. And by night trains. Student budget and first wages at work were barely enough for Interrail, not for couchettes (let alone sleepers). When I (about 10 years ago) traveled to Malta, I waited all night at Ronkah, because the last bus arrived there around 22h, and in the morning none for the early flight to Fiumicino.

Anyway, we're really softened today. Oooh the kids were really poor, because they had to, think about it, eat junk food from the machine. I think they were even happy, they like that. Otherwise no problem if they eat healthy otherwise. If you stuff them with such junk all the time, I believe it's already hanging out of their ears.

@andi2: of course education isn't important, as I said. Who would think e.g. how many directors, businessmen, engineers, politicians... in America (and probably here too) go to prostitutes. velik nasmeh

And when a university-educated person can't distinguish between astronomy and astrology (personal experience), you can think whatever.
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Becar5. 04. 2021 12:05:00
The current situation already reminds me of Silas whipping himself in The Da Vinci Code
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Hribolaznik5. 04. 2021 13:30:05
@Becar, The Da Vinci Code isn't exactly the most intellectual reading... Quite the opposite... It's a shallow fun crime novel with a very unoriginal and multiple times copied story...
To understand measures you don't need an engineering or astronomy exam... It's elementary school math, which goes like this: Slovenia has about 230 intensive care beds with professional staff. 230 intensive patients (at the same time, simultaneously) our country can professionally care for. That's a very good number, few countries can exceed it, relative to population of course. If by chance (and that's why we have measures, so it doesn't happen), there are more than 230 intensive patients at some point, then bigger problems arise. Shall I describe them or do you get what problems? I can describe: for some intensive patients there won't be enough professional staff, but they'll be cared for by non-professionals...
And then there's another variable. Namely more covid patients means fewer treatments for other diseases and conditions. Everything is connected. Elementary logic. So we have measures so our health system doesn't collapse, not because Janša wants a night walk in empty Ljubljana, or Hojs is thrilled to spend most time at home with his mom...

Anyway, why let the media scare you? Dead lying everywhere? First time I hear, and I follow media daily... Don't be afraid before covid epidemic. It's nothing brutally horrible. Epidemic can be successfully contained with some measures. Really don't know why you're so scared?

One more wisdom: That some stores are open doesn't mean you have to rush into them...
Some companies have their own opening policy, don't look too much at government measures or Janša's tweets... Ikea opens and closes according to its internal policy... My company decided we'll work from home until June, regardless of Slovenian measures and Janša's tweets...

Yes, I'd act differently too if I had the scissors and cloth... All services with individual treatment I'd open. 1 customer in 1 salon. That could be done, yes. Maybe they'll arrange that soon too, who knows?

But hypocrisy and hindsight wisdom annoys me... Our dear opposition (which will one day, maybe soon take power), jointly appears before journalists and wises up how the government wrongly decided in December and ordered too little Biontech vaccine... Yeah, who knew in December there'd be problems with Astrazeneca? Nobody. So hindsight wisdom makes no sense. I hate JJ but these clowns from opposition are really clowns...
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