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| korl7. 10. 2014 10:01:28 |
those rich 9 km ????
why didn't you win then and were only 34th? Otherwise you'd deserve lots of praise for 34th place too - but only if you were modestly quiet, like those better than you.
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| JusAvgustin7. 10. 2014 10:14:19 |
Some go, run, climb, scramble for themselves, others to throw themselves in front of other "losers". Comment of klm-ja, zedbija and someone else on previous page is more than just comment. No bit of condemnation in my words, just my view. You're record holder until someone breaks your record. Then you're just "former record holder".
These are completely different waters from regular mountaineering, for which the forum is intended.
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| dprapr7. 10. 2014 10:20:22 |
Records don't bother me, nor who sets and presents them. Rules apply to them, which are annoying in the mountains. Of course, except those ensuring visitor safety.
What bothers me is wanting (they want) to remove from the forum things that stand out from the average right away. Forum diversity is provided by events that are not ordinary and not accessible to everyone.
And conditions are visible from all redbull's posts too!
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| redbull7. 10. 2014 10:40:47 |
Buy some brains, Korl, some train races longer than 5h and compared to grinta there you don't need much liquid. Hard to say anything if you're not in these waters. I still can't compare to that time cause I'm too slow, maybe in a few years. But there's someone much better who'll run it off with a watch so it'll be proven if it's even relevant, he's several hours better.
now we can end this topic
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| alpin7. 10. 2014 11:12:54 |
Redbull, what hurts me at heart when I see the written name "grinta". If you already have no respect for people and athletes, at least have respect for the mountains that give you so much good back. Grintovec is a mountain that deserves it above all.
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| KUKI777. 10. 2014 11:21:09 |
My opinion is the following:
obviously quite a few forum members have a lot to say against Redbull. Personally his comments are fine for me, and sometimes they tell about conditions regardless of GPS data and such. That the guy is fast and a lot in the mountains are facts, and that he beat the route in 17 hours in an honest, announced and planned endeavor too.
And that some walk (we) more on solitary paths and differently is also fine, even if they can do the route much faster. But the moment they write about it publicly and numerically, support with evidence is expected, otherwise let them enjoy their own way, which is also not wrong.
I have to admit that I like the route a lot and it could maybe even become classic, say whoever does it properly in 36 hours gets a badge, in 24 hours a medal, record holder a spot on the cup that would be say in the inn Pri orlu.
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| Sujcic7. 10. 2014 11:52:04 |
Don't forget how it started; "Ninđa: He set the new record. Klemen Triler did Grintovci extrem in 13 hours and 45 minutes."
The term "record" seeks elaboration - or he shouldn't have written it. Don't gossip about Redbull so much.
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| ostrorogi7. 10. 2014 12:16:03 |
Hats off to redbull. Did the course in 17 hours, documented it and that's the only relevant, everything else is hearsay. Everyone goes to mountains for their own reasons, if redbull's achievements bother you so much just don't follow them. To me his posts are very useful and I pull out things I need from them. I think the purpose of the forum is that everyone can post their feat with word and picture, if someone does a route in 10 hours or 1 hour, as long as not offensive to others. Once again, congrats redbull on his achievements!
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| Zebdi7. 10. 2014 12:34:56 |
Yeah, the achievements were never questionable. Attitude towards others often is 
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| Marky7. 10. 2014 13:18:16 |
And again we're in the sandbox where it's who has the nicer and better shovel and who dug the deeper hole... Do you really have nothing smarter to do than criticize, correct, gossip,..
The difference is between mountain runner and normal mountaineer and each has their goal and of course target group. Both the one and the other publish their achievements. One does it by "crawling" to the top, the other by running to the top.. One boasts with photo that he stood on it, the other with track/GPS/time how much he needed.
I don't understand why it's so wrong that someone is proud of their time and probably many of you/us would be too. Of course, if you're the "owner" of the current best time and get a hint that someone beat it, that interests you or you want to know more, not just: "he was better and ran in so much time"... Helloo???
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| klm7. 10. 2014 13:22:34 |
The topic is not open for invading the personal integrity of individuals, but to develop a constructive debate.
If I refer to the route rules that its "father" Jure Grmsek - Cveto quickly wrote, we can read the following:
"........For Grintovci, the rules are these:
-The route is done exclusively on
marked paths (exceptionally because of
possible snowfields).
-Start and finish at parking by Kalcit.
-Route in direction towards Velika
planina.
-Must photograph at start,
finish and all summits.
-At all these points must
photograph also the watch where the time is visible.
-At all summits must sign in
logbook and note time.
-Escorts allowed of course but
they don't have to be at all summits.
(I didn't have any except from Kalska gora
onwards).
-Poles allowed........."
I assume then photos need to be shown publicly (in media) as proof? If not, then you didn't complete the tour - or better with "record time" you're not "record holder"? Since I haven't seen Klemen's photos, GPS of route etc., then
Dejan, you are still the official "record holder" of the route!?!
Nowhere did I read that Klemen boasted about record time, numbers were written by others. From his report published on TF I'd highlight just a few sentences: "........Last two challenges I did well. But I'd like to say the following. People talk too much about records that aren't important at all, more important are stories happening in the background. Especially hanging out with sports friends who join me even if I invite them last day before departure. That means more to me than records and I know it will stay that way. To all who care more to beat others' time I say that's not my way. My joy is competing with myself and breaking records of my plans that I think I can run. If at the same time I break everyone's record it's irrelevant to me. I'm happy for every additional feat I do despite my injuries. Happy for everyone who takes similar endeavors because I know how it is to achieve goals you set, especially if you surprise yourself positively....."
that's the essence of all this.
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| GregorC7. 10. 2014 13:26:07 |
Hats off to both, Klemen and Dejan. But Dejan documented his record nicely, while from Klemen we only know he broke it. Now if he really did it for himself then neither he nor his escorts should publish it. Given that user Ninđa published it, I'd expect him to publish more detailed data from which how and what is visible. If I were owner of previous record I'd also be interested in data of the one who beat me.
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| Marky7. 10. 2014 13:58:04 |
"........Last two challenges I did well. But I'd like to say the following. People talk too much about records that aren't important at all, more important are stories in the background. Especially hanging out with sports friends who join even if invited last day before departure. That means more than records and I know it'll stay so. To all who care more to improve others' time I say that's not my way. My joy is competing with self and breaking my plan records I think I can run. If simultaneously I break all record it's irrelevant. I'm happy for every additional feat despite injuries. Happy for everyone tackling similar because I know how to achieve self-set goals especially surprising self positively....."
So others could report it he must have told them, and also "boasted" he broke record or in what time he ran.. So he doesn't run for himself only! Maybe true he doesn't post achievements on hribi.net or similar forum but collects other target group and circle of "fans".
Now question.. would he tackle this feat without knowing in what time someone before ran it? Probably interested in time of current "record holder" and likely goal just to beat that time and he did (though without proof). Of course for better time not only time needed but some rules of game which #klm also posted. So time beaten or new route record set only under those conditions...
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| KUKI777. 10. 2014 14:40:58 |
Just a thought: in bad weather (fog)
I run an intermediate variant with GPS, then
in the following days I sign the logbooks retroactively; photo with set watch, and if there's nothing anywhere in the period between GPS and
the current date of signing in the books, then my cheat works, especially in rain, wind and fog. The most correct way is Redbull's, everything else can be adjusted.
Talking about frustrations, ego, character in this case can only be by a person for whom only what he proclaims around as unimportant, non-substantive matters...
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| Ninđa7. 10. 2014 15:16:40 |
My intention of the post had honest and good intentions. If it will be easier for you, I can also delete the post.
I am aware that Dejan and Klemen worked hard for this and deserve praise and publications in various media.
Best regards
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| uros f7. 10. 2014 20:26:03 |
As far as I know, Klemen has no intention of proving anything to anyone and as one of my predecessors (KJ) already quoted his statement from TF - he did the Grintovci extreme for his own soul and has already proven everything to himself. And he did the trail on marked paths, has GPS track, and quite a bit was filmed by companions with a camera too.
Anyway, this debate or topic really doesn't fit in this section but in the Mountain Running section, as you see some true believers are so horrified. Anyway, we're always crazy - because we're not hikers.
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| Ruzowski7. 10. 2014 21:19:24 |
"I am aware that Dejan and Klemen worked hard for this and deserve praise and publications in various media."
Somehow like praising Ant for running 100 km in one day.. Yeah, porkamadona, that's his job, hobby, his life. Who else will do it if not him?
For me, those hikers over 140 kg who crawl to some summit deserve praise....
Otherwise I don't know why arguing about the result, since that Eritrean who wins gm40 would surely run under 10 hours.... so?!
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| RotoKobi7. 10. 2014 22:09:45 |
Ruzowski you have no clue about the Eritrean
All your other remarks have no meaning
best
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| redbull8. 10. 2014 03:04:20 |
question if the Eritrean has even seen a cable
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| KUKI778. 10. 2014 08:02:47 |
I don't know either Dejan or Klemen, but the route interests me, I also know the previous record holder and fairly to all who train and engage in extremism, it's to get to the bottom of the matter. The GPS track is really strange. The companion started full throttle from Stahovica, at Kamnik saddle just caught Klemen and then accompanied him to Grintavec, then full throttle back to Stahovica. Really strange for a companion, logically he waits for him at some point and then accompanies or leads to the next. And the matter is completely clear, if he did it for his own soul and Ninđa made a 'mess', then a clear comment is needed, answer: the record is still 17 hours and not 'I can remove the comment'.
UrosF, Primoza: GPS, proof??!!
The matter needs to be concluded!
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