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| ms_primoz8. 10. 2014 08:22:39 |
mercedes - the Eritrean is so fast that thirst wouldn't even drink water... I see you still can't... poor 
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| klm8. 10. 2014 08:22:58 |
KUKI77@ what record are you talking about?! In such an endeavor it's NOT about setting records!
Cveto, who first tackled this feat, wrote back in 2008 on TF: ".....For some years I had the desire to do all the 'main' two-thousanders in the Kamnik Alps in one day (24h).
I tackled this feat on Tuesday 14.10.2008. The feat almost fully succeeded, except both Kočen......"
Nowhere did he mention record time or anything like that!
Dejan alias Redbull then started to add competitive flavor. Cveto fell for it too, who then quickly 'cooked up' rules, partly visible in his last paragraph of the report on TF: "........PS. Dejan I hope the weather favors you, no injuries.
From what I read about your trainings I think you can go well under 20 hours. Yes, there's still quite some reserve. If you're a good mountain runner and fast on rock, then no problem to set an excellent time."
And here the story of records on this trail began.
Of course there were teases before (including mine), especially at Jure's expense, that the trail can be done in much shorter time than 20h (considering numerous factors that contribute), but nowhere was there any competitive vibe.
Before Cveto's rules publication on 7.8., predecessors didn't need to provide so many proofs, but mostly based on mutual trust and respect.
In short, back then the thing was almost pure, here now a series of nebulous thoughts are written.
According to Cveto's rules Dejan is still the "record holder" of the trail, if you want, although we all know it's a Pyrrhic victory.
For Klemen I know he's not into publicity, and I've never doubted his honesty!
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| redbull8. 10. 2014 08:26:43 |
Here it must be known that already several weeks before my challenge Cveto insisted that everything must be photographed, so that GPS is not needed. If you take a photo at each summit with watch and time and so on.
I myself had Garmin with me, camera and much more and if it's like I see now, then I don't know why I stuck to it.
Next time definitely I'll go without everything, without photos only with watch and touching the box. My goal was to improve the previous one, now it will be Klemen's, although without proof I can improve mine which won't be hard. I ran with the brake on for 17 hours, waited for some companion, watched sunrise, carried stick for companion because otherwise it would seem too easy. Reserves are huge. Surprises me especially that in descents surely technically demanding he's not fast.
Otherwise runners like Triler, zupancic... on such challenges only records interest them, don't close your eyes.
Runners know each other, so there should definitely be more.
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| ms_primoz8. 10. 2014 08:36:30 |
mercedes - go run there as many times as you want (I wish you all the best) - but keep it to yourself and don't boost your ego on HRIBI.net. Just ˝show off˝ on some other more suitable portals. Suggestion - organize a competition, then you'll all be together at the same time, rush to the peaks. Then you'll argue who is stronger...
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| KUKI778. 10. 2014 08:45:53 |
Don't write nonsense.
The competitive vibe started earlier.
There are many honest ones who do it for their soul and don't publicize it.
Already 30 years ago they talked about Davo and his feats, when in one day he reached Ojstrica and back, then before the evening party ran to Storžič too.
Maybe there was some folk exaggeration in between.
A group of friends can compete among themselves, or something like a run to Primož or 24-hour hike can turn into a competition. That's incomprehensible or senseless to some, but not to me.
According to you the debate is pointless and everyone should think their own?
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| SamoK8. 10. 2014 09:00:13 |
>...the debate is pointless and everyone should
> think their own?
The debate DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS FORUM. Go jerk off somewhere else!
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| gmirko8. 10. 2014 15:10:13 |
I think whoever it bothers, shouldn't read it..
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| SamoK8. 10. 2014 15:14:05 |
Think what you want, as much as you want, but the forum is still called CONDITIONS, not WRITE WHATEVER YOU WANT, EVERYONE WILL DECIDE THEMSELVES IF THEY'RE INTERESTED OR NOT. Also not WHO HAS THE LONGER ONE!
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| Marky8. 10. 2014 15:20:19 |
Mmmm maybe it would be good if the moderator moved this thread somewhere else.. e.g. under general?
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| Žiga228. 10. 2014 15:39:56 |
For all who forgot to take Bilobil, they sell it in the pharmacy. 
The topic is already in the "Trail running" forum and not under "Conditions".
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| Ninđa9. 10. 2014 00:30:00 |
Comparison of two forums with the same topic (grintovci extrem):
Running forum: praises, congratulations.
Hribi.net: envy, criticisms.
Regards
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| martin49. 10. 2014 08:14:40 |
In general, people already write one over the other, even though the title is in the Conditions forum. Anyway, some posts aim more at building ego, intentionally or not!
And I wish you safe paths in the mountains.
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| cveto10. 10. 2014 09:10:00 |
Preview:
REDBULL!
I read this whole thread and had a good laugh. Didn't plan to comment.
But this last comment of yours really pissed me off!
"Otherwise runners like Triler, zupancic... are only interested in records on such challenges, don't close your eyes."
"Runners know each other, so there should definitely be more."
How can you say something like that. Obviously you don't know either one personally.
I know Klemen very well, Klešman less, but everyone knows who and what he is anyway! How can you judge someone you don't even know! And lumping them in the same basket at all. These two are complete opposites in character.
And I don't understand at all how you, whom most trail runners don't know personally except through your writing (not to say otherwise), can write like that.
I'd ask you once more, which group or "basket" do you put yourself in??? Think carefully.
No hard feelings. Still congrats again for Grintovci extreme, and safe in the mountains.
P.S. Klemen has plenty of recorded material. When he has time, he'll edit and make a little film. (some have more important things than hanging around and "writing" on the internet.
LP Jure-Cveto
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| redbull10. 10. 2014 11:11:08 |
Good that you took a little time and elaborated.
I still stand by my statements.
Lp
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| KUKI7710. 10. 2014 12:05:05 |
Cveto, instead of being proud of authoring the route and its latest rules which actually publicized the competition online, you paradoxically distance yourself from it.
Instead of the route becoming a classic in the Kamniks, good mountaineers could do it in two days, the matter is slowly degenerating. And here I must side with Redbull, in most cases it's about breaking records or competing among themselves and also in the mentioned feats it's that and something more. Recreationals (or Klemen, Redbull?) are often even sharper at it and Redbull is too, but who blames him or does he go around proclaiming himself different. Just think how many athletes boasted like that in recent past, especially in alpinism, cycling and running?
Writing now about more important things than internet writing is somehow platitude squared.
And I don't dispute achievements at all, quite the opposite, I'm precisely interested in the limits of the mentioned route. And precisely for us who know no one
involved, it would be fair to find time for writing online, since there was for the opening sentence.
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| panda10. 10. 2014 13:16:38 |
The old rooster understands the young one, but not vice versa. Let every specimen find itself where it wants.
My proposal, guys: start together once, and we'll see who will be the best in this cosmic Slovenia as "extrem". This is just my personal opinion, since I never visit the mountains to break records, but for pure pleasure.
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| skalaš7010. 10. 2014 15:10:10 |
Bravo "Panda", simply and plainly you explained it to them!
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| ostrorogi10. 10. 2014 19:44:58 |
From most posts condemning Redbull and his "boasting", there mainly shows the envy of certain individuals who would also like to, but can't! Everyone according to their abilities, and whatever is done should be done with enjoyment!
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| korl10. 10. 2014 20:08:08 |
ostrorogi, KUKI and similars who (sure not accidentally) piled up right on this thread: most of us don't give a fuck about those running shenanigans.
I can say hats off for this extrem, but life has so many more important things others manage, little redbull you don't even dream of them and won't for a long time.
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| VanSims10. 10. 2014 20:11:10 |
"From most posts condemning Redbull and his 'boasting' shows mainly envy of certain individuals who would like to but can't! Everyone by abilities, what is done with enjoyment!"
If someone read this out of context they'd think it's some sex forum.
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