Horn Route in the wall of Jalovec
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| Janez Seliškar5. 07. 2011 10:36:47 |
Everyone thinks with their own head, goes on suitable paths and tries to provide information to the other interested public as well.
Regardless of the route climbed in this case, the text only provided information for hikers heading to Jalovec via the marked path from Tamar.
Hikers grow over the years and usually reach for more demanding paths and trackless terrain.
From these experiences and walked paths also arise information and data for those coming after us.
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| heinz5. 07. 2011 11:05:56 |
Logical... But if for me someone's >boasting< about such an ascent arouses only typical Slovenian envy instead of healthy desire, then it's better to avoid reading and commenting. Except in the case of adding needed warnings, if the author didn't mention them.
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| tiyana5. 07. 2011 11:08:39 |
..if I understand correctly, the path over Kotovo sedlo is safe ...how much snow and ice is left?
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| Janez Seliškar5. 07. 2011 11:14:49 |
Everything can be seen on the 6th and 7th photos. (we really don't carry a meter with us)
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| tiyana5. 07. 2011 11:21:08 |
how can you walk around without a meter 
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| tiyana5. 07. 2011 11:23:59 |
looked at the pics.... is there still snow only here?
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| penzionist5. 07. 2011 12:15:08 |
I notice that my remark, despite good intentions, was just a warning, inappropriate, and I apologize to all affected in this story. I'll try in the future to treat my own envy rather in the mountains and not on the forum.
LP
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| merkur5. 07. 2011 15:33:15 |
Yeah, screw this road, but can some alpinist (even "retired") here occasionally kindly provide a broader view, or are you (some) already completely self-sufficient in the tightly fenced garden of your own opinions and those of your selected "hribi.net" gurus!?
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| JusAvgustin5. 07. 2011 17:47:16 |
there was absolutely nothing inappropriate in your comment. Anyone who knows Jalovec and approaches to it a bit knows that this is not a hiking trail, but the easiest alpinistic (natural) passage across the north face of Jalovec. But I'm all for listing up there also easier (up to grade three, maybe a bit more) alpinistic tours, especially ridges, ridge traverses, Martuljek end etc. I'm not forcing anyone into ropes, but it's interesting what reaction this gets from some (positive and of course also negative). But if there's a description of an alpinistic route up there, it's of course necessary to point out a few details (alpinistic skills, roped climbing, rappels etc.). I think Jovan knows very well what and how, others too (where do you pick up these words?!) hribi.net gurus. But if you go asking after such a description where the markers are, well then I don't know anymore... This wasn't aimed at anyone, or at all of us, since there are no individuals here, it's a group of people who "act to the best of their abilities" by giving advice to others. I've also been thinking for some time about simply stopping to participate (and I'm not the only one!, since I see no sense in "nailing" certain people. I reluctantly remember the unpleasant incident this year from MM, when we warned before the thaw, but an avalanche still took two in the gully. What praise is that????
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| skrajnik5. 07. 2011 18:05:20 |
I know you're all good mountaineers, but....
you're foaming a bit too much over nonsense.. 
"take it easy baby!"
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| Jure S5. 07. 2011 19:49:14 |
It would be good if this forum also had a corner or section on alpinism.
Then we wouldn't argue like this over nothing anymore.
Lp, Jure
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| Jovan Cukut5. 07. 2011 19:51:15 |
Why don't all you ,,hribi.net non-gurus'', who hide under pseudonyms, start signing with full name and surname for once, like I do, I. Zlodej, J. Avgustin, S. Balant and many others?! Why would you be ashamed of your name. Of course, it's easier to write nonsense under a pseudonym than to do some nice mountain tour, publish it and equip it with all data and useful information.
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| potepinka5. 07. 2011 21:03:39 |
My opinion – every such exchange of opinions also has its better side. Namely, if the tour report is only from the one who did it, it sometimes really reads as if (almost) anyone can do it. But if opinions "clash" a bit, I think it can also trigger doubts in some, that it's not as it looks at first glance and therefore they will inquire properly sooner or ask to postpone it to a time when they themselves have enough mileage for such feats.
Probably when reading "I advise less experienced hikers at least to use an ice axe, if not crampons." or "It has been known for many years after Ozebnika that the summer passage is more like Russian roulette." everyone can get some doubt or take it as a well-intentioned warning? (whether it's about the tour, use of helmet, ice axe,…)
With what's written, it's just that every reader reads it their own way and it's not necessary that they found the same essence of the message in reading as the writer intended to convey.
And regardless of whether you are alpinists, gurus, … or šodrovci, as long as you accept others' writings as a supplement to yours (in this case there were quite a few besides "pensionist's") or simply as an exchange of opinions, all writings can be interesting for those tempted to follow in your footsteps sometime. And also for those who will just look at the pics (or read the new "pujs's adventure") and continue to enjoy more gentle paths among flowers.
Everyone in their own way – and that's why someone writes impressions from Šmarna gora, someone else from an alpinistic feat.
It's precisely because of this diversity that hribi.net are so good, right? 
And lots of enjoyment among rocks or flowers I wish you!
p.s.: It's really off-topic, I really don't know Jalovec and from what's written I won't for a long time, but I like to look and read about it too… 
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| merkur6. 07. 2011 09:43:00 |
This exchange of opinions has given birth to a sensible idea for a separate section dedicated to alpinistic ascents ... The editors reacted quickly. All praise!
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| penzionist6. 07. 2011 09:54:35 |
What was a mission impossible at the "official" forum, happened here incidentally. Yes, really all praise to Rok
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| Janez Seliškar6. 07. 2011 09:55:19 |
All praise to the editorial team,
afternoon walks and demanding tours-alpine ascents really don't belong together.
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| stanebalant6. 07. 2011 10:31:26 |
macesen1, yeah,yeah... unforgettable enchanting, thrilling and crumbly Rušica.
The editorial team is really terrific, delightful news for all participants of this forum, now we're all happy and satisfied again. That's how it's done.
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| Kozorog6. 07. 2011 13:33:21 |
Potepinka.. sorry wrong summary... the "walkers" got "kicked out"
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