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geofor5. 02. 2026 20:47:53
Some just always want to be right.

I just wrote facts, I didn't deny, even confirmed that on some maps, especially online ones, they are marked as Turška vrata.
But I don't intend to search all maps and find out on which one this naming is first mentioned. I cited a very relevant source that good topography experts surely know (Quo-on it there are also some old editions of hiking maps).

Someone has already dealt with Turški vratci, look at the entry on the website:
https://www.snezak.si/razmere/pomladno-lahkotna-komna-5-enigma.html

We don't get an answer why they are named that way, but we see that someone marked it that way on some map once...and it was passed on.

On the official map of the Survey Administration of the Republic of Slovenia, which is the only authority for such things, they don't know this naming.

Which of course doesn't mean that commercial map publishers can't use a name that seems right to them because they saw it somewhere.

And about locals, yes in Henrik Tum's time that held, now caretakers aren't necessarily, or not at all locals, this year from one end, next year from another, chamois apparently don't speak yet.

And for me it doesn't matter if they are Turkish or Slovenian or some other Vratca, nor what they are called, I just wanted to explain that the matter has its history, which isn't sufficiently researched.

And those 35+ years. I first walked there in 1976, but don't remember what it was called, maybe doors nasmeh.

But I (doors) close them with this entry, as continuing doesn't seem sensible to me. Good evening!
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ppegan6. 02. 2026 10:18:30
I completely agree, some really always want to be right. Funny how you took offense at the locals. Yes, locals, experts of the area and history told me this and many other interesting things about Komna, can also be uncles if easier to understand. And you doubt it. You know, I wasn't just a casual visitor to Koča pod Bogatinom, but spent 35 summers at Planina na Kraju. In that time I learned many things not written in any literature, I knew all caretakers who of course weren't all locals (I remember best the Carinthian Ani), I walked and explored Komna and nearby and even farther surroundings thoroughly. Komna was my second home. I was so at home there that they put me on the viewpoint, I was 11, posing with the mare Olga, with which they transported goods with lojtrnek from Dom na Komni to Koča pod Bogatinom. In the afternoon I rode it too, as I was crazy about horses. I think you can still buy it in the hut today nasmeh
Sometimes, when there was no helicopter supply yet, they transported goods with horses from Dom na Komni to Koča pri Triglavskih jezerih. The late caretaker Janez, a local, let these horses go so they came grazing to our planina, where we caught and rode them. I still remember their names – my favorite was Dingo because he was spotted, and calm Lisko and Dora who was quite wild. When the horses were free for a couple days, Janez took them to Pl. Govnjač to graze on that good grass, as he said. He also took us kids along, so I rode Lisko the whole way to Govnjač. That was an experience nasmeh On the way Janez explained flowers to us, he especially liked pelin, liked to soak it too velik nasmeh, and other curiosities. And yes, I took away a lot, as it was all new and interesting to me. Also where above Pl. na Kraju there are two snow holes – watch out not to fall in, as the living god won't find you. And where sea remains are clearly visible (shells in the rock), where the meat cooler was during the war, where cement remains are that they carried in sacks, and where snakes hide … I collected all that into a booklet or story about the larch Špiček, old age at Pl. na Kraju, which I wrote as part of a seminar paper for VGN, mentor was Marjeta Keršič Svetel. The booklet was for children, but adults would surely learn something new about Komna, its inhabitants, history, myths and legends. If anyone wants, I can send it in PDF, it's really interesting reading.
Oh, to touch on the naming Turška vratca. Uncles told me they are called that because Turks allegedly fled over there to Trentino. If true, unfortunately I don't know, hence the conditional zavijanje z očmi But I think oral tradition is a very nice contribution to preserving history. And equally important as written sources. Enough now. Have a nice day further nasmeh
P.S.: More than a meter of snow has fallen on Komna in the last days, so ski touring beckons, of course when snow conditions stabilize and there's no more (such) avalanche danger.
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Kranj6. 02. 2026 18:15:54
Ppegan, you wrote nicely, I could read on forever. Interesting to listen to or read such real stories.
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mukica7. 02. 2026 07:09:47
Ppegan, thanks for your interesting post. I am also a frequent visitor to Komna and surroundings and grateful for this environment and the opportunity to roam it and learn something previously unknown nasmeh
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zbil13. 02. 2026 08:30:59
Ppegan, great post! I'm a bit jealous of you!nasmeh

What are the current conditions on the path from Savica to the hut below Bogatin?
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ločanka13. 02. 2026 11:27:13
Polona, you really wrote it well. So, if I understand correctly, the title of your reading is The Story of the Larch Špiček, or something like that?
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ppegan13. 02. 2026 12:09:00
Mari, the little story is called The Larch Špičko Tells, it talks about the history, inhabitants, dangers ... of Komna, and some legend is also mentioned inside. I'll send it to you on Messenger mežikanje
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ločanka13. 02. 2026 12:13:16
Thank you nasmeh. You've excited me
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ppegan13. 02. 2026 15:00:30
Bojan, nothing escapes you velik nasmeh True, my seminar paper is also published on PZS site, just like all the others nasmeh
Thanks everyone for nice comments nasmeh

@zbil conditions from Savica to Koča pod Bogatinom, which will be full of masquerades and l`bezni this weekend, are ok, it's trampled, small crampons recommended if still icy (it was last week).
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zbil14. 02. 2026 14:56:51
Ppegan, thanks for the reply!
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ppegan16. 02. 2026 14:36:40
On 16.2.2009, 3.6 m of snow was measured on Komna or Planina na Kraju, in the snow pit on Lepa Komna -49 degrees Celsius. To get to the hut with dad, to the lower apartment, we had to dig a tunnel to the entrance first, then thaw the door. And then in the hut just a bit above 0, because someone forgot to close the window. And it took quite a while to heat everything up. Good that the bread oven is downstairs and then it went fine. Those were the winters nasmeh At that time we had two huskies who really enjoyed such conditions, and they could even be fatter, since they had nowhere to go anyway when everything was under snow velik nasmeh
Taken 16. 2. 20091
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ppegan17. 02. 2026 09:59:23
Tadej, were you up there that same year mežikanje No, we two could ski down from top to bottom, did a few turns in between, and it was nasmeh But I didn't take pictures of that, unfortunately.
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Tadej17. 02. 2026 11:47:48
I was up there that winter, but the pic isn't mine it's from pikca1.

https://www.hribi.net/trenutne_razmere/slo/koca_pod_bogatinom_1513m/1/1426
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Vzhodnik20. 02. 2026 19:11:38
Is it safe in current conditions to go further from Turška vrata?
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lijaneja20. 02. 2026 19:36:13
Right below them is most dangerous. If you have enough fitness, you can scramble to Krnsko jezero.
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Vzhodnik20. 02. 2026 19:55:45
Ok thanks. Right above 1600 is 4th degree. We'll see.
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ppegan20. 02. 2026 23:21:54
Given last year/before last avalanche under Bogatin, I wouldn't risk this weekend from Koča pod Bogatinom first. Towards Lanževica can be dangerous, it's only 4th degree, not for biking in open. Better stick to wooded mežikanje
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capraibex21. 02. 2026 09:16:27
Attaching some photos from the middle, lots of snow, track made to Lanževica
Komna1
Bogatin2
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towards Krn5
Beauty of the landscape6
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zbil22. 02. 2026 11:42:49
On Wednesday there was really a true winter fairy tale on Komna. Fantastic views from the saddle.
A few more pictures
Krn Mountains1
Bogatin2
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