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| julius6. 03. 2024 12:28:05 |
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| lijaneja6. 03. 2024 13:59:36 |
Kimlings and bootlickers. If someone at the Association would at least a little expose himself (like the mountain guides did) and demand stronger arguments for the closure, the crown would fall from his head. The road is in better condition than before the storm, no danger of fallen trees either, since it's all on the ground already.
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| mavi126. 03. 2024 16:08:17 |
The fun will really start in summer, when at the remaining trailheads (e.g. Vrata) due to this closure there will consequently be even bigger crowds... and of course they'll have again a super excuse for further raising parking fees at those remaining trailheads. But when they open Krma and Kot, I wouldn't be surprised if there'll also be some new barrier there with excuse that it's money for "road arrangement".
Two flies with one stroke 
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| mirank6. 03. 2024 17:58:56 |
Interesting that the club doesn't speak up either, since the hut will consequently also be closed. Maybe it suits them....
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| Jusk6. 03. 2024 19:48:38 |
One and the same every few weeks you hammer. Vrata, Blato, now Kot and Krma.. and PZS this and that, nobody forces you to be registered
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| Klinar276. 03. 2024 22:38:06 |
Exactly so, every hobby costs something, in the past it was just equipment for hiking, now after years of promoting "everyone to the mountains, it's healthy and nice", also many more hikers, which simply calls for payment and earnings. If we want to go to the mountains now we'll just have to follow the changes that are happening. We wanted visits to the mountains, we got that and we have to live with it. Whining won't help us. 
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| korl7. 03. 2024 08:00:28 |
Yeah really, just whining about PZS. Well, sign up for Alpenverein like @primoza and a few other smart alecks did, and keep using our hiking trails for free, which the mountaineering societies maintain for you. Jedet jedet c c c
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| Daaam7. 03. 2024 08:37:41 |
...they don't give everything from their own pocket  https://www.pzs.si/novice.php?pid=16546 by the way...I've been paying A membership for quite a few years. Hand on heart ..some local societies do excellent work, others very poorly or nothing.. Probably the criticisms here (justified)are more aimed at the umbrella federation.
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| dprapr7. 03. 2024 14:54:34 |
Korl would charge us for trail use too!?
Those most maintained are no longer usable anyway. Who'd hang around there. 
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| miri7. 03. 2024 15:44:52 |
@dprapr, do you realize how many thousands of volunteer hours go into these trails so we can "hang around" there?
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| nenap7. 03. 2024 18:20:56 |
@ PD trails need fixing
Every willing hand is always welcome
Regards Nevenka
Ps: Markacists don't count volunteer hours in euros so we can " hang - we hang " they try to fix trails for hikers
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| jprim7. 03. 2024 18:46:04 |
I really don't get what Nevenka is saying. Am I in the third dimension?
LP!
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| Trobec7. 03. 2024 18:51:23 |
Yup...markacists work for free so mayors and other local sheriffs can collect tolls from parking below...
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| korl10. 03. 2024 18:06:31 |
Drago would leave the trails to nature so we wouldn't hang around on them with him, others would abolish parking below right away ... trails would overgrow soon and all would be nice.
But then the farmer with pitchforks would wait for you below, on whose land you walk. PDs have to negotiate every trail with all owners instead of us and for all.
Sadly some live in distant memories thinking the times of their youth will return when everything was free and everyone could do as they pleased, especially in the hills. The sooner they accept it, the better.
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| redbull11. 03. 2024 05:48:53 |
They have to negotiate "to excess". It's kinda like that already now, the farmer almost waits for you with pitchforks or a warden
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| dprapr11. 03. 2024 17:33:17 |
Yes, Korl, everything was free. And we could do everything "that suited us". Where did you live?
You probably didn't see mountains up close in your youth. So many restrictions as back then, hope never again.
And precisely because of turning trails into quasi ferratas, much higher standard and open borders, now there's crowds in places and parking fees introduced.
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| korl11. 03. 2024 18:58:45 |
Come on, who are you selling these lies to? Where were you restricted? At most in free time for mountains, because you built a house on credit, which today's youth can't even imagine.
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| UB7711. 03. 2024 19:50:09 |
Korl, you really didn't go to the mountains back then, obviously at least not near the Austrian border!!! Locals had to have a "border pass", and if you didn't have it and border guards caught you on the wrong side, they nicely escorted you back home! Unimaginable today...
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| miri11. 03. 2024 20:25:13 |
Unimaginable for younger and young people. If it said movement restricted or prohibited, we just followed it. Even today you can't go to a factory yard or institution without permission.
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| turbo11. 03. 2024 20:34:22 |
... and if you went to the mountains by train (or anywhere else), in many compartments on the window it said: "Don't lean out the window!"
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