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Krma, Kot

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mavi126. 03. 2024 16:08:17
The fun will really start in summer, when at the remaining trailheads (e.g. Vrata) due to this closure there will consequently be even bigger crowds... and of course they'll have again a super excuse for further raising parking fees at those remaining trailheads. But when they open Krma and Kot, I wouldn't be surprised if there'll also be some new barrier there with excuse that it's money for "road arrangement".

Two flies with one stroke mrk pogled
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mirank6. 03. 2024 17:58:56
Interesting that the club doesn't speak up either, since the hut will consequently also be closed. Maybe it suits them....
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Jusk6. 03. 2024 19:48:38
One and the same every few weeks you hammer. Vrata, Blato, now Kot and Krma..velik nasmeh and PZS this and that, nobody forces you to be registered
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Klinar276. 03. 2024 22:38:06
Exactly so, every hobby costs something, in the past it was just equipment for hiking, now after years of promoting "everyone to the mountains, it's healthy and nice", also many more hikers, which simply calls for payment and earnings. If we want to go to the mountains now we'll just have to follow the changes that are happening. We wanted visits to the mountains, we got that and we have to live with it. Whining won't help us. cool
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korl7. 03. 2024 08:00:28
Yeah really, just whining about PZS. Well, sign up for Alpenverein like @primoza and a few other smart alecks did, and keep using our hiking trails for free, which the mountaineering societies maintain for you. Jedet jedet c c c
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Daaam7. 03. 2024 08:37:41
...they don't give everything from their own pocket mežikanje https://www.pzs.si/novice.php?pid=16546 by the way...I've been paying A membership for quite a few years. Hand on heart ..some local societies do excellent work, others very poorly or nothing.. Probably the criticisms here (justified)are more aimed at the umbrella federation.
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dprapr7. 03. 2024 14:54:34
Korl would charge us for trail use too!?
Those most maintained are no longer usable anyway. Who'd hang around there. nasmeh
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miri7. 03. 2024 15:44:52
@dprapr, do you realize how many thousands of volunteer hours go into these trails so we can "hang around" there?
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nenap7. 03. 2024 18:20:56
@ PD trails need fixing velik nasmeh
Every willing hand is always welcome velik nasmeh
Regards Nevenka
Ps: Markacists don't count volunteer hours in euros so we can " hang - we hang " they try to fix trails for hikers velik nasmeh
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jprim7. 03. 2024 18:46:04
I really don't get what Nevenka is saying. Am I in the third dimension?zmeden
LP!
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Trobec7. 03. 2024 18:51:23
Yup...markacists work for free so mayors and other local sheriffs can collect tolls from parking below...jezen
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korl10. 03. 2024 18:06:31
Drago would leave the trails to nature so we wouldn't hang around on them with him, others would abolish parking below right away ... trails would overgrow soon and all would be nice.
But then the farmer with pitchforks would wait for you below, on whose land you walk. PDs have to negotiate every trail with all owners instead of us and for all.
Sadly some live in distant memories thinking the times of their youth will return when everything was free and everyone could do as they pleased, especially in the hills. The sooner they accept it, the better.
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redbull11. 03. 2024 05:48:53
They have to negotiate "to excess". It's kinda like that already now, the farmer almost waits for you with pitchforks or a warden
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dprapr11. 03. 2024 17:33:17
Yes, Korl, everything was free. And we could do everything "that suited us". Where did you live?
You probably didn't see mountains up close in your youth. So many restrictions as back then, hope never again.
And precisely because of turning trails into quasi ferratas, much higher standard and open borders, now there's crowds in places and parking fees introduced.
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korl11. 03. 2024 18:58:45
Come on, who are you selling these lies to? Where were you restricted? At most in free time for mountains, because you built a house on credit, which today's youth can't even imagine.
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UB7711. 03. 2024 19:50:09
Korl, you really didn't go to the mountains back then, obviously at least not near the Austrian border!!! Locals had to have a "border pass", and if you didn't have it and border guards caught you on the wrong side, they nicely escorted you back home! Unimaginable today...
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miri11. 03. 2024 20:25:13
Unimaginable for younger and young people. If it said movement restricted or prohibited, we just followed it. Even today you can't go to a factory yard or institution without permission.
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dprapr11. 03. 2024 20:35:40
Compared to today's "restrictions", there were many back then.
Since not everyone had the luck to drive cars, we started tours in the valleys. In Mojstrana, Bohinj, Kranjska Gora, Rateče, Črna, Mežica, at Plesnik in Logarska, Luče,... That's probably the only restriction now (closed road to Tamar), plus sometimes salty parking prices. Back then we didn't see it as a restriction.
We were "restricted" by public transport from home and back. Not to mention border mountains and border crossings. At every crossing, inventory of gear in the backpack, from camera to rope. Gear you could only buy in Austria or Italy, or even farther. Of course you had to hide it from customs. Or you crossed the border with old shoes, old backpack, returned with new ones.
I remember once in Maribor paying a whole salary for two puffy hoodless jackets (Toper).
The next one I had sewn by a seamstress. Not cheap, but with more down and made to order.
At border crossings you could have a limited amount of money. Usually too little for the tour. At the Swiss border you had to have more to be let through at all!
We mostly slept outside. Ah, that was an advantage over today. Which got complicated in the mid-90s when police threw us out of bed in the middle of the night in Tamar and we had to pack up camp. Even though during the day (it was Sunday) some from the most beautiful city were roasting on spits there.
Bivouacs were mostly locked and for locals. In the Logar end I climbed most routes, but only slept in bivouac twice.
On border peaks, border guards usually complicated things, especially in winter.
In winter, huts in high mountains were closed. I didn't miss them otherwise, but there's a difference from today's weekend hut openings.
For an expedition to another continent you had to earn it with high-altitude work. You couldn't just buy a plane ticket and go anywhere like now.
Korl, with the house you missed. I wasn't one of those who squandered the former state. I even paid self-contribution.
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mirank11. 03. 2024 20:37:00
Also in Cyrillic... and smoking carszavijanje z očmi
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darinka411. 03. 2024 21:13:00
I remember when we were in Yugoslavia, I wondered if I could ever stand on Mrzla gora. Well then the dream came true. nasmeh I won't forget when we went from Sveti Duh to Olševa. Back then border guards were watching the border. But surprisingly they didn't stop us three at all. We were lucky.
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