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| Macesna22. 05. 2015 23:41:27 |
It's a pity there wasn't some public discussion among interested mountaineers and alpinists about this matter. The images of the planned new bivouac at Jezerih, which is supposed to replace it this summer, don't seem promising to me at all - not in the aesthetic sense and even less in the functional.
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| lynx23. 05. 2015 00:13:17 |
Renders are without equipment, so it's hard to reasonably conclude about functionality.
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| viharnik23. 05. 2015 08:45:33 |
Comfort in the form of a sleeping bag you always bring with you in the mountains.
The bivouac will be much warmer, much larger, sealed against wind and moisture and also mice, when you sleep there sometime on II, they won't fly over the blanket
At Jezerih is one of the nicer spots in the Julian Alps overall, if nothing else because of the exceptional view of Triglav north face, Triglav itself, as well as the entire Vrata valley. In spring the place is also ready for ski touring from Rokavška škrbina, Šplevta, below Oltar.
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| Macesna23. 05. 2015 13:02:23 |
By unpromising functionality I mean primarily so many glass (plexiglass?) surfaces: how will it be warm inside if so much glass where heat escapes, and at the same time it looks like the new bivouac will be considerably larger than the current one?
To me it looks more like a panoramic sauna or a variant of an elite hotel in Zermatt or Grindelwald. In a bivouac that stands in such a merciless world, it's good to hide in a hole, in a den, to protect yourself from the outside, that's the concept of a high-altitude bivouac. You certainly don't need to stare out and aesthetically contemplate the view of the beautiful surroundings. You do that when you're outside, in active contact with it.
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| mero5523. 05. 2015 14:00:47 |
The bivouac under Grintovec can be taken as a model, you can tell an architect-alpinist designed it. This one is pure pose.
Above all, the problem is vandalism and camping of the "Czechs".
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| Branee23. 05. 2015 14:27:49 |
The bivouac as such was worn out, so I welcome the replacement, but it's true there's quite some exaggeration in the design..
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| smolko23. 05. 2015 14:49:39 |
We're destroying mountaineering history, it's not worn out at all. It's a simple, small, functional object that is and would still meet all needs. It will be replaced by an object that in my opinion doesn't belong in such a beautiful and pristine part of our mountains at all. Viharnik, I think the old bivouac was quite well sealed against the wind, the mice in it are the fault of visitors who don't close the doors and leave food in it. Ski tourers here are extremely few since the sunny side makes you carry skis far for little pleasure. Macesna, I completely agree with you.
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| Branee23. 05. 2015 15:46:25 |
I don't agree with what's written, one will even carry torn stoves on the nose and say they are good. But I do agree that with these new bivouacs they've missed the guideline and the very definition of what a bivouac is or represents, they look more like wellness centers and their modern style has no place in the mountains..(if thinking a bit aloud)
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| VesnaM23. 05. 2015 15:55:50 |
It seems totally fine to me. We don't go to the mountains for luxury. And such a new bivouac really won't fit in that environment... I'd leave those ends as they are.
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| dprapr23. 05. 2015 16:10:24 |
Bivouacs are with us an outdated thing. They were current then when people still went to the mountains with public transport that dropped you far from peaks. It wasn't possible to do a tour in one day and the bivouac was very welcome. Especially bivouacs under walls.
If now someone coming from Vrata needs a bivouac up there, then probably a matter of romance or late departure from home. But it can quickly go wrong if full of foreigners.
What kind of bivouac belongs up there (my opinion none), is a matter of experts.
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| Urbban23. 05. 2015 16:31:33 |
The bivouac looks really modern, but... probably the current bivouac in 1937 when it was built also looked modern... I see nothing wrong in renovating worn bivouacs, but really it would be best if their design is handled by architects who are also mountaineers.
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| viharnik23. 05. 2015 16:32:59 |
I don't know if we really have such an aesthetic sense to surpass even the talented circle of architects who are experts precisely in the type of mountain bivouacs and northern regions of our hemisphere.
The bivouac under Kotovo sedlo was constructed among others by the son of the late alpinist Kunaver, but the triple design at Jezerih won't be a trifle either. On the pictures, the bivouac's roof stands out first, which is perfectly well planned, and the tips with slight slope angles flow over the whole.
Secondly, no bivouac is or will be without insulation; already inside lots of wood is visible, which between the beams will probably be additionally insulated.
Regarding the use and non-use of bivouacs, I think the weather alone shapes the mountaineer's fate on the mountain (wind, sudden freeze, snow as now, late ascent and overnight stay, then it's possible to cook hot tea in shelter, catch the morning sunrise, then during rescue when usually bad weather it's an indispensable logistic point). Even foreigners who come from very far away will be able to use the bivouac, and for various climbing course participants etc.
Don't know if I'm so dumb or just reading dumb comments? .
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| francimedved23. 05. 2015 16:33:46 |
Some foreigners use bivouacs - read: exploit them - for free overnight stays. They settle in for a few days, bring food and drink, and stay there. What could be better, a free hotel in a nice location.
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| viharnik23. 05. 2015 16:35:54 |
We have TNP mountain guard, let them check as in Switzerland, Austria and make order, they have all authorizations.
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| francimedved23. 05. 2015 16:53:22 |
Here it's not Austria or Switzerland, it's Slovenia.
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| jax23. 05. 2015 17:50:13 |
@VesnaM
It seems to me quite orderly. We don't go to the mountains for luxury. And this new bivouac really won't fit in that environment...
Well yeah, the current bivouac is one iron can that doesn't fit at all in that environment. But through years and decades we got used to it. Just like we will to this one. So - regarding which fits better where, I really see no special difference.
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| jax23. 05. 2015 17:52:39 |
@dprapr
Bivouacs are an outdated thing with us. They were relevant back when people went to the mountains by public transport that dropped you far from the peaks. It wasn't possible to do a tour in one day and a bivouac was very welcome. Especially bivouacs under walls.
Well, ask someone who has ever climbed a route in the east face of Škrlatica, Rakove špice or Rogljica if one comes in handy. It does, still, car up or down. Two might really have the least sense of all bivouacs, but nevertheless - various long ridge traverses this bivouac still greatly facilitates. About the other important benefits of the bivouac viharnik has already said quite a bit ...
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| ana23. 05. 2015 18:50:12 |
Such a shape is completely wrong for our mountains.
Why don't they call Mr. Žakelj for advice? The guy is a naturalist and he built three bivouacs in our mountains. Probably it's a matter of honor for them. These modern-day mountain architects don't understand them even from the valley.
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| Daaam23. 05. 2015 19:01:38 |
I don't see a reason why existing bivouacs shouldn't be "refreshed". The fact is they are "shabby" old. They have soul, which new bivouacs can acquire with years too. Whatever shape/architecture it is/will be, it will never please everyone anyway. We often take foreign examples and if we compare various modern huts in Switzerland, Austria, France, Italy etc., then we can say that this our bivouac will be wonderfully integrated into the environment We can argue endlessly but the final word has the manager and his will prevails! What kind of glass it has and if it's sensible is just looking for a reason because someone is basically against novelty. Personally I would like to watch the raging nature during bad weather "from safe shelter" through the glass...How functional and useful it is I don't know because I'm not professionally qualified for such things.If the bivouac is bigger many will be grateful for it, especially those who had to stretch their sleeping bag outside at full occupancy of the current one. It's true that in principle every hill/mountain in Slovenia can be reached in one day, but why would bivouacs be outdated if it's so nice to jump e.g. on Friday afternoon after work to a bivouac and early morning further wherever and there are many more reasons why a bivouac makes sense. The problem of people regardless of nationality who settle in bivouacs for several days should be solved by TNP inspectors but what when their Clios and similar steel beasts even with 4x4 drive don't "gallop" to the object. And not everyone does self-promotion on blogs and other pages saying how many days we spent in the bivouac  The new bivouac is obviously becoming reality, and the best is to come to terms with its shape as soon as possible even if you don't like it. In no way is this an intervention in the environment that would degrade the surroundings more (no more than the old bivouac). I personally (maybe I'm wrong) don't expect a greatly increased visit because of this..
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| jedriličar23. 05. 2015 19:02:11 |
Every bivouac should in my opinion satisfy two criteria, in this order: 1. functionality, 2. integration into the environment ...
I have no idea about the functionality of this one in the picture (I've luckily never been there), but judge the integration into the environment yourselves ... 
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