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wolphgang16. 01. 2012 14:41:00
well I don't drink beer because it replaces lost substances etc. I drink it because I like it. how many times I drank a bit too much on the way and regretted it later because I didn't have the expected feeling of accomplishment.
at the end of the hike though necessarily one pelinkovec rinsed with radler grapefruit flavor.
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VanSims17. 01. 2012 11:54:50
I already knew before that beer has one of the highest glycemic indexes. That little table as I see is directly copied from Montignac! zmeden
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Sano17. 01. 2012 17:38:15
MajaO, thanks for the link, interesting and very useful read. A lot already heard and read, but knowledge is never too muchmežikanje Myself after longer lasting physical activity first drink chocolate milk (within 15min), later after about an hour usually also a meal of pasta with tuna or chicken and radler. This way of eating works quite well for me, of course everyone has to find out what suits them best.
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Vinetou17. 01. 2012 17:53:14
A couple of basic guidelines on nutrition. For very long hikes around 8-12 hours it's not bad to eat a CH meal in the evening (basmati rice, wholegrain pasta), especially if we were very active that day, as this will fill glycogen reserves. Morning meal shouldn't be right before starting the hike (at least 60-90 min before). But it's very important as it fills glycogen reserves (if not yet) and prevents tension and stomach issues. This meal should mainly contain CH with low GI. During walking it's recommended to intake CH with high GI (energy bars, raisins, cranberries,...), as it prevents blood sugar drop. For all-day hiking a larger meal is mandatory (sandwich, meal in hut, tuna-bread). Very important too is to consume CH meal with higher GI as soon as possible after finishing the hike, as it allows faster recovery.
Food with low GI is useful mainly in various diets, recommended also for prevention of cardiovascular diseases and hypertension.
As for fluids, it's smart not to consume only water, as with it during long activity we can get poisoned. We start lacking sodium which we excrete. So good if drink contains also sodium and potassium (isotonic drinks). Quantity wise around 0.2l every 20-30 min. Smart to drink around 0.3l before starting the hike.
That's what theory says, in practice everyone finds their own combination that suits best.
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gapy18. 01. 2012 08:26:05
Vinetou I agree with you almost entirely except one thing. One day before the "race" expected sports activity you don't fill glycogen stores. That day is for body rest including digestion, meaning light meals to maintain glycogen stores. But I stick to that mainly for races. Before long hike, usually one day before I eat normally, maybe a bit more CH instead of proteins, avoid fats.
The rest you already wrote
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Vinetou18. 01. 2012 15:42:47
Yes you're right, I wrote a bit wrong. I meant glycogen supercompensation, for which it's a bit late if we start one evening before the hike. The simplest method to achieve it is to eat CH-rich food for the last three days. But this is really more for extreme athletes, with normal people those CH will store as subcutaneous fat. So probably for recreational hiking what you wrote is more appropriate.
With fats of course smart to avoid saturated fats. But still fats should make 20-30% of daily food intake (usually we reach that easily or even exceed), as during long loads fats are our main fuel.
Otherwise our daily diet should have following composition: 50-60% CH, up to 30% fats and at least 10% proteins.
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martin418. 01. 2012 17:07:34
Everyone should listen to their body, what suits it. Certainly, though, it's important where you're going, how strenuous it is, whether you do sports...etc!
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neph19. 01. 2012 10:23:29
Vinetou, I fully agree with your thinking. I think, however, that protein intake should still be kept somewhat higher than 10%, especially if we include plant-based proteins in that value. But everything depends on the specific activity and personal specifications, so it's extremely difficult to speak generally for all people, we can only provide approximate values. With fats, it's not superfluous to point out that it's recommended to take the larger part of the intake as so-called good fats.
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neph19. 01. 2012 13:43:16
Maja, I see you have quite a formed nutritional strategy. Basically, a person can absolutely live normally and especially healthily without meat (maybe even without animal products), but in this case proteins need to be purposefully taken from other sources and in appropriate combinations. I think that food with a high glycemic index is also valid in certain situations and we can't claim it's a priori harmful. I wouldn't agree though regarding the quality of proteins in meat and fish, as I personally think they are definitely higher quality than plant sources (except for bright exceptions, the rest needs to be properly combined).

I support different nutritional strategies, but I don't tolerate someone imposing their conviction on someone else and being convinced that it's the only and right path. Otherwise this doesn't apply specifically to you, as I agree with most of what's written.

I can just add that for more than a year I was putting quite large amounts of proteins into my body from exclusively animal sources (probably as much as an average person doesn't eat in ~3 days), and because of that I didn't feel bad. Quite the opposite! With this example I just want to show that not everything is black and white and that everyone has to find their own path to health and well-being. Definitely though many modern nutritional guidelines point to the importance of (animal) proteins that contain all essential amino acids in the right ratios.

ps. Regarding quinoa... As far as I know, it contains more than 60% carbohydrates. So for example it would be hard to get 50g of proteins into the body from this source, as excess carbs would quickly show. Additionally, with such action in the long term we would violate what I consider a very important principle in nutrition - food variety.
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neph19. 01. 2012 14:35:00
I'm glad that in the end, despite quite different nutritional philosophies, we agree. Basically, though, healthy nutrition is a fairly simple concept - remove simple carbohydrates (sugars) and bad fats from the diet, and we're already more than halfway there. Unfortunately, for the average person that means completely changing their diet.
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Nanook19. 01. 2012 14:49:32
Where do you get whey for 0.5eur per liter? Is that from a milk vending machine or directly from the farmer?
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ljubitelj gora19. 01. 2012 20:03:46
We have a big farm at home, I eat cottage cheese, lean meat, home eggs, for a while I also baked wholegrain-rye bread, but it was so good that I ate up to 400g a day, now I eat white [bread], because it's almost the same, they are OH that don't give anything good to the body, especially bread, I process vegetables myself here you have a link to my presentation:

http://rastline.mojforum.si/rastline-about7467.html

milk every day, we buy basic food (vinegar, oil, salt, sugar...), etc.
On hikes I always take frutabele with me.

This year again, I should have started mid-February but since it's like Siberia here I'll sow quite late, only in July can I plant outside, but usually I was out in the field until dark so until around 21:30....I sow everything myself, plant, weed, water, care for, and also use bio preparations or even use chemistry, but this year no chemistry, I'd rather see sprayed vegetables rot that can be bought in the store. Sorry, because this doesn't quite fit hribi.net, but because everything is connected (nature, greenery, mountains...)
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FLEKSARCA19. 01. 2012 20:19:32
Hey LG, that salad grows nicely for you, I would bring you some seeds, for such "flowers", I would plant them next to cucumbersvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh. Joke, joke, so that there's no fire in the roof right awaymežikanje.
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ljubitelj gora19. 01. 2012 20:29:47
Always when I came back from a hike I ate 1 kg of tomatoes, if it wasn't in the fridge then to the field for it, but I always stocked the house so there was always enough vegetables in the fridge, otherwise I also collect mushrooms, chestnuts, some herbs, plant trees too, clean around the property, ...nasmeh
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viharnik19. 01. 2012 21:13:27
In the past I also practiced macrobiotic nutrition. Apparently now the eater is even divided into vegans who reject any intake of food of animal origin, even eggs, milk and consequently all secondary food items like yogurts, pasta etc.
They eat only sprouts, fruit, vegetables and all that even uncooked. There is a sea of books on "healthy" nutrition and theories, foreign and ours and with that different interpretations that quite confuse the user and put him on completely opposite edges of the abyss. One of the books is also by Dr. Susman, a Slovene, who promotes seitan from wheat gluten as protein in counterweight to meat propaganda.
My experience after all this is that there is no written rule that would condition a person with calculated instant meals. If we look at the Chinese division of man into three most common diverse types (constitutions) originating from birth on vata, pitta and kapha basic properties, then we understand that every person is an individual with different feeding requirements and thus characteristic digestion only for himself.
Secondly it holds that food itself does not substantially influence the spiritual level of the individual, as if someone ate only plant food and built his spiritual level with that. For example onion really lowers spiritual energy to the lowest first basic chakra, partly also meat (less game), but onion also has a very protective antiseptic function like disinfection, for vessels, digestion, similar to aspirin. Meat however only acts well on passive untrue (true awake) spiritual state of man, grounds and activates him.
So all food acts in the sense of yin-yang, which interweaves everywhere in the nature of creation. Yang (higher chakras) is more in nuts, rice, legumes, asparagus, lotus root, figs, raisins, forest strawberries, cherries, blackcurrants, algae, crayfish, snails, barley, corn flour, millet, soy flour, venison, freshwater fish, sea fish, sugar cane, ginseng tea, elderberry tea, mint, tahebo tea, basil. Yin however in predominantly vegetables, bread, other fruit, wheat, pork, beef and veal meat, cow milk, cheeses, yogurts, butter, chocolate, water, ground paprika, celery, pepper, most other spices are yang origin (activity). This means that yin nutrition just like yang has equivalent spiritual properties on man and balances him, depending on the current state of man and his essence (one of three) from birth. We ourselves must then feel what will currently help us to better balance of spirit - our inner instinct about food choice, which itself actually with only a small percentage influences the spiritual fine essence of spirit and chakras of man. More for balancing the essential subtle body man can do with correct pure thinking or little of it (wasting energy through senses), correct and just attitude to life and fellow men, drawing spiritual food from nature (water, fire, earth, air, ether, metal), calming and harmony of spirit with help of meditation.
One still most original and real master wrote a book on slimming not based on diets and recipes, but said that the key to obesity is hidden in the subtle spiritual body. Namely, when with meditation we remove blockages in frustrations (anger, personal dissatisfaction, lack of closeness of friend, disappointment, traumas...) on mental (mental) and astral level, consequently the true natural sense for nutrition is also re-established and then you will eat only as much as the body actually needs just for its own existence.
So eat food that intuitively attracts you, that will be the right one.
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Irina20. 01. 2012 01:33:14
MajaO, I have to add a bit to you regarding quinoa.
They were "processed" by Americans because the bitterness bothered them. They convinced the local population that the new seed is much better than the old one. With corrections?? they achieved that the new variety was no longer bitter and it didn't need to be cooked in multiple waters. They were so kind!!! that they distributed the new seed to farmers for free. And it happened that birds also found out that the new variety is better than the old one, which they mostly didn't even touch.
Instead of abundant harvest it decreased because of additional feathered eaters. The new variety was created in Monsanto laboratories!!!
Locals realized something was wrong and started secretly collecting old seeds where they could still find them and started sowing their old variety again.
How it is today I don't know, but years ago "scientists" persecuted them, destroyed their fields and persecuted them in the most brutal way. South America is much more important to all of us than we even realize.

With us Monsanto is not so violent and approaches us with more refined methods. It offers new hybrid vegetable seeds with large fruits, pronounced colors, more pronounced taste....etc. Especially allotment gardeners like to reach for these cheaper seeds (Lidl, Hofer). Our old vegetable varieties are slowly but steadily disappearing. Since Semenarna is majority owned by Italians you will also hardly find Slovenian seeds on their shelves.
Whoever can, let them sow their beds and fields with home seeds.
That something is terribly wrong with these new seeds you will realize when you want to obtain seeds. These are not natural varieties, these are artificial, infertile mutants. Something that cannot reproduce itself in nature is also not good for our body and consequently for health.
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Bbrina20. 01. 2012 07:19:14
I'm glad Irina, that you showed up and mentioned genetically produced seeds.
It is really high time to raise awareness among as wide a circle of people as possible. Just as you said, they subtly penetrate European markets. And not only with seeds.
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katty20. 01. 2012 10:27:38
For all those who swear by energy bars à la Isostar variant, there are some basic recipes for home-made products similar to those bars given in yesterday's issue of Polet. It could be extremely interesting.
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som6920. 01. 2012 15:11:13
There is also the option of making isotonic drinks, which are nothing else but a pinch of salt, a teaspoon of sugar, squeezed lemon or orange, water; makes 1L = a few cents, in the store though...mežikanje
Quite enough for recreational folks.
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bostjanp20. 01. 2012 20:27:30
@ katty: is this bar the one...
url=http://www.polet.si/maratonec/recept-za-sadno-ploscico-poslastica-aktivnega-cloveka>Link
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