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| skrajnik20. 10. 2011 10:11:14 |
I've wondered many times about the name of some mountain or mountain detail and sometimes even discovered why certain things are called what they are...
With big namings, the name of the mountain/area is already logical due to shape, some peculiarity, surrounding features, sometimes you only realize when you're there why the name is what it is..
With some, things are less logical or not at all, so I'm opening this little thread to discuss a bit about the origins of mountain names..
E.g. Triglav, Macesnovec, Grintavec, ... all logical, more or less...
I'm interested, to start, for example origin or explanation of these few:
- Luknja peč? (why?, haven't been up there yet..)
- Vernar?
- Rokav? (maybe I could even philosophize  )
- Tosc, for example?
For starters...
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| katty20. 10. 2011 10:31:41 |
TOSC or TOLSTEC. That's how it's written in Tina Mihelič's book Julijske Alpe, hiking guide. Name comes from its "fat shape", supposedly the widest in our mountains.
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| skrajnik20. 10. 2011 11:01:12 |
thanks, katty
TOLSTEC, I like 
Logical...
These interest me too:
- Montaž? (Thief?)
- Baba (big, small, blah blah )
- Prisank and
- say Devil's Pillar (well, maybe this one because of the gully next to it that looks really devilish)
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| lynx20. 10. 2011 11:17:43 |
Luknja Peč as the wall above Luknja (saddle), Prisank easier to grasp than Prisojnik. Montaž as Friulian mangling (mont-)?
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| Okmodko20. 10. 2011 11:19:17 |
For Triglav I've heard on TV and in books that our ancestors worshipped the Slavic god Tribožjast or something like that, anyway god Triglav. But then I don't know why no other hill is named after a Slavic god...To me the most logical is because the hill has three peaks, heads = Triglav.
Montaž is of Italian origin as far as I know...The correct Slovenian name for Montaž is špik nad policami. Well, I might be wrong.
Prisank or Prisojnik seems logical to me that it's just exposed. Exposed side
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| skrajnik20. 10. 2011 11:19:44 |
I know it's basic, but still - peč?
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| miri20. 10. 2011 11:24:54 |
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| heinz20. 10. 2011 12:33:55 |
For Hudičev steber we probably know that it's named after the journalist, art critic and alpinist Jože Hudeček who passed away this year. His is the first ascent route in this pillar. Hudičev is just a (probably quite useful) distortion..
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| Santi20. 10. 2011 12:53:50 |
Heinz, here you probably missed it, the first ascent was by Uroš Župančič - Žuro and Leo Baebler, in 1936, Hudeček was born a year later...
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| heinz20. 10. 2011 13:05:47 |
I remember that even recently (on his death) it was written somewhere as I mentioned. So it wasn't exactly reliable info..
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| sherpa20. 10. 2011 13:09:02 |
heinz, can you stop with such nonsense
if you had thought a little, you'd know it's not true
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| Okmodko20. 10. 2011 14:03:01 |
Hey, do you know which mountain is Monte Nevoso and when did that name originate? And for the place Tarnova I have the same question? Little riddles for you
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| miri20. 10. 2011 14:10:54 |
Today we have Monte Nevoso almost everywhere.
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| atoamac20. 10. 2011 14:20:45 |
What all do you discover in old books and magazines if you have a bit of imagination e.g. Rž has the name from the most widespread cereal, which in ancient times when the Julian Alps were forming, they sowed there.
Rjavina got its name in memory of a teetotaler mountaineer who carried a bottle of wine with him for so long that it evaporated and only rust remained.
Poprovec got its name from the first ascenders who first named the peak after the expedition sponsor (Pop-tv-ovec), but over time the name took on a simpler pronunciation, in line with the sponsor's language policy.
Križ also got its name from the first ascender, who was illiterate and drew a cross instead of a name at the registry office.
Visoka Vrba – Nova špica: over time folk wisdom shortened the too long name (which honored the miraculous appearance of a tall willow on the summit, and new spire when lightning split the tall willow and only the new spire remained), into a somewhat shorter and more comfortable name.
Bovški Gamsovec has the name after the famous chamois from Bovec. They say it had golden horns and relatives near Celje. It fed exclusively on flowers, preferably mountain hops. When it ate them all, the species went extinct.
Hribarice – according to folk legend these are petrified critics of the pre-war Ljubljana mayor Hribar, who accused him of co-financing the construction of mountain trails in the heart of Fužinske planine. One of these trails is still called Pot v Nove Fužine today. They petrified from increased calcium excretion.
Velika Zelnarica got its name from its shape. In winter it resembles a cabbage head covered thickly with snow.
The name Strug is according to legend a reminder of the ancient river Ova or its bed, which before the last universal flood ran exactly where the via ferrata recently ran.
Čelo was named by the famous Slovenian mountaineering writer and musician, as the mountain from afar reminded him of his favorite instrument. In memory of his second favorite instrument, Viole still occasionally grow there.
Kopica is an abbreviation that happened over long centuries to the name Kot opica. The name supposedly originated when a local shepherd was telling how to climb to the summit.
Prevalski Stog was named in 1936 to honor the joint reconciliatory hike of a hundred bald-headed Sokols and Orli to Triglav. At the place where Prevalski Stog is now, they did passes and other ritual movements.
Kreda is named after the large chalk quarry, which was the most important export item of the today unknown prehistoric chalk culture in the Gorenjska area. When they abandoned the quarry, it was filled by Lake Bohinj.
Lipanski vrh is a reminder of the times when the Alps were still below sea level, and the area was dominated by dinosaurs and also for those times highly advanced sea lipans. Unfortunately, they went extinct when the Alps rose from the sea. It's not known if because they couldn't breathe on land or because they got caught in the nearby Mrežce.
Svinjak got this camouflage name during prohibition. According to legend, it was previously called Vinjak.
Deska got its name from the extensive forests from which in the previous millennium they made quality boards for Veža.
Ratitovec has the name after Tito, but don't tell that to the constitutional court.
Palec has the name in memory of all hitchhikers who thumbed so long in vain on the access ridge waiting for comfortable transport that they went extinct.
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| škarnik20. 10. 2011 14:22:51 |
Okmodko: Monte Nevoso is the Italian name for Snežnik, it remained from the beginning of the previous century, when fascists occupied those areas and gave them Italian names.
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| Okmodko20. 10. 2011 15:35:10 |
Yeah. Correct answer Monte Nevoso also falls among those fascist names from 1918, although it's a literal translation. Italians still use those names. Heh heh heh... 
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| škarnik20. 10. 2011 16:28:29 |
Well, let's try philosophizing a bit, as skrajnik says. First I thought Visoki Rokav got its name from the "sleeve" of scree under Bivak II, but it's not that simple. They used to call Škrlatica (Suhi plaz) after this scree field, although the scree field undoubtedly belongs to Rokav. But if Rokav was "Rokav" even back then when Škrlatica was still Suhi plaz, it leads to us having two mountains with the same godfather, which is rather unlikely. Besides, there are three Rokavs...
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| jprim20. 10. 2011 18:49:44 |
There is a written source from 1929 titled Imenoslovje Julijskih Alp. There you find exact data. (reprint 2000 - Tuma publishing)
... I happen to have it
LP!
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| Loni20. 10. 2011 19:53:42 |
Okmodko, are you a bit obsessed with these namings or what? It's not a fascist name, but an Italian naming and it's logical that Italians still use that name today. There are no fascist names, but there is fascism as a political system. And if you look a bit "around the corner", for Monte Nevoso it says it's a "montagna slovena...".
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| Okmodko20. 10. 2011 22:21:54 |
What's up Lonči bombonči, did you get a bit angry? I found the name on this list of Italianized Slovenian place names from the time of fascism http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_italijanskih_imen_slovenskih_krajev So that name is fascist. You know, Italians were present in the Snežnik area only once in history, between 1918 and 1945 during fascism, so it's most logical that this name is from that time If you walk around Google Earth you'll find pictures marked by our good neighbors with names from this list: Lago di santa Lucia (Most na Soči), Tarnova (Trnovo), Villa del nevosa (Ilirska Bistrica), Castel Lueghi (Predjama), Postumia (Postojna), Rio dei Gamberi (Rakov Škocjan) and I could list more. It seems ugly to me and I think it's right to mention it, because as far as I see in 67 years no one has done anything about it. Otherwise yes, origins of names interest me a lot Isn't that interesting? There is even a science that researches name origins, and if those who deal with that science are interested, then so can I and there's nothing wrong with that Capito Loni?
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| Loni20. 10. 2011 22:57:51 |
They are not fascist names, that's it. They are Italianized names.
And if you look at Most na Soči, my grandparents always went to Sveta Lucija and we're back there. But the fact that the place is named Most na Soči today doesn't bother you, since it's only been called that for less than 60 years. Because before it was Sv. Lucija.
Oh yeah, I'm from Primorska and supposedly sensitive to these things and I never really bothered to learn much Italian, well, now I've started that too. Well, overall it's more occupational deformation. Fascist is not the same as Italian, I insist on that. I know very well where and when Italians were present on our territory, another occupational quirk. Fascism came to power in Italy two years after the signing of the Rapallo Treaty. By then the Italian authorities had more than enough time to name our places. Great book or collection on that period (at least for me) is titled Fašisti brez krinke.
But I'm far from getting angry, just poking a bit. And watching the reaction.
Back to naming.
Otherwise, if I may jump a bit ahead from Slovenian mountains... When you type Bela gora into Google (I mean the highest mountain in Europe), it throws out quite a few other things before you get to Mont Blanc. I was there in August and it was fun watching Italians with Monte Bianco and French with Mont Blanc. Everyone insists on theirs.
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