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sabina.77. 11. 2009 20:30:05
Around noon we drove towards Lokve, turned towards Lazna there and stopped at the junction for Poldanovec. There wasn't much frost, but it was pretty humid and foggy. The markings led us first along a forest road to the crossroads. Two options appear there: either sharply to the left or straight ahead along the road. Both paths lead to the foot of Poldanovec. We picked the shorter option and turned left. We walked on a snowy trail, cutting where possible since the days are getting shorter... and we'd rather not walk in the dark. We reached the top of Poldanovec (1299 m), which offers a beautiful view of the Trebuša Valley in fine weather, but this time just thick fog.... Interesting is the precipitousness eek and one must be careful to avoid slipping, since its north face is the boldest peak in Trnovski gozd. We returned the same way. We walked about two and a half hours. I really like this part of Trnovski gozd for the landscape and solitude.nasmeh
Poldanovec Hurrah, yippee, snow is back!1
Poldanovec Goal: Poldanovec.2
Poldanovec Partly along the trail, partly on shortcuts3
Poldanovec New variant4
Poldanovec And we're almost at the top5
Poldanovec Now it's still possible to sign, later snow will cover everything6
Poldanovec Windy landscape7
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igorf30. 11. 2009 16:07:08
One suggestion for fans of "less known paths":
On that highest part - a couple of 100 m fairly flat - before the road starts descending down into the basin under Poldanovec, on the left side a small "meadow" and left ahead an overgrown cart track. If we follow this track, it first goes flat and then right down back to the road. When further from the road (marked) we climb to the ridgelet leading towards Poldanovec, already a bit further along the ridgelet we soon notice a nicely visible little trail that descends left down towards Trebuša. This trail is easy to follow - but it doesn't go to the valley, but all around Poldanovec. When already past (east) of the summit above us the trail splits: left towards the valley, right (we go this one) through a little forest brings us to the east side of Poldanovec. A bit more "free-style à la Pre..." to the right and we reach a trail that takes us to the top. Warning: suitable only for those who like bushwhacking through any terrain, due to exposure and unmaintained trail I advise against it in wet or snow.
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šodrovec30. 11. 2009 22:17:38
Igorf, don't mind, I'll add a bit, though nothing wrong with your circular path description, just the possible junctions are a bit disputably handled.

Namely, the little path you mention that after crossing the ridgelet descends towards Trebuša (you say it doesn't go to the valley!?), actually by Poldanovska grapa does descend into Trebuša and deep below, under the farm Na Gradu, reaches the Trebuša asphalt. You at height around 970 m reached the cross trail (and headed east along it), which along the contour line crosses the govska slopes (viewed from the west) from Pleh here, under Stanov rob, Poldanovec and ends (if not turning upward east behind Poldanovec as your lines show; possibly also later - further east) completely on the other side at the road by the forestry hut (better known as Anina koča) by Smrekova draga.

When you write that east under Poldanovec the trail splits (that's true!) and that the left branch (continuation along the contour) heads towards the valley, that's probably just guessing!? The right branch or upward junction that you used does indeed bring you to the edge of the plateau, east of Poldanovec.

Anyway, your warning about caution in wet or snow is very much in place. Even to the experienced I recommend an ice axe!
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zmp21. 12. 2009 06:57:05
Some GPS track would solve all dilemmas... nasmeh
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igorf1. 12. 2009 07:07:38
Šodrovec, thanks.
I intended to find a path to the valley exactly, but I didn't notice that downward junction (looks like I overlooked it). Next time I'll try again and devil if I don't hit it. And once also the continuation to Smrekova draga (early September it was full of blueberries)velik nasmeh.
One question: do we reach those (pictures) via this path?
- For GPS some generations are already a bit past it - even for things like PC, USB, GSM etc., it creaks zmedenjezen.
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šodrovec1. 12. 2009 09:42:43
Igorf, with the "creaking" generation nothing is wrong. It's noble! nasmeh

Personally, though hopeless, I reject the use of GPS tracks. As long as possible, I'll advocate the use of the "remnants" of human senses. Well, in such a steep and forested world as that under Poldanovec, even this technology (for now) doesn't give satisfactory results.

Answer. Yes, exactly to those signposts and the wonderful little rest spot the path will deliver you (actually in the last part it's a macadam road - past the farm).
Tip. If you come down from the top again and look for continuation to the valley, then locate the point when you step onto the cross path. There just a short way along it to the right and then you spot the junction left down (clearly, before crossing the first - Poldanovska grapa). Lower down be careful, because at one spot (after the climb along the cable - interesting, you're descending but it's a climb) the path briefly disappears. Perhaps it would still be worth setting up the exploration from Trebuša upwards.

Ooooo. Connoisseur of Smrekova draga. Rare. I hope those blueberries went down well... that bear who lives there obviously didn't bother you?! mežikanje

Regards

P.S. Anyway, you can find quite a bit about Poldanovec and the paths around it on the PZS forum, where unfortunately the search doesn't work and you have to bother with manual searching. But you probably don't want to know too much anyway?! nasmeh
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igorf1. 12. 2009 16:41:20
Blueberries were good (though already quite picked). Those "little blueberries" in the hut under Golak are even better (especially those that old Jože had when he still cared for the hutvelik nasmeh). That bear sign on the board between S. Draga and the ice cave – we old guys aren't afraid of itcool. Now my heels itch properlynasmeh.
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šodrovec2. 12. 2009 19:19:37
Haha, the devil knows whether the bear picked blueberries in front of you or someone who will serve them to you properly "drowned" in Iztok's hut. I wish you the latter – cheers! If you're really going to rub your heels more under Poldanovec, I recommend myself for news from the field. Good luck!
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igorf8. 12. 2009 19:58:38
Sunday, 6.12., we're going to visit our Poldanovec. But I don't feel like going down the grapa to Trebuša, because there are beautiful views up there. (How does that fable about the fox and sweet grapes go?... "IT'S SOUR!"
Of course, with 15-20 cm of new snow, I don't dare go down the grapa, as the steep slopes are already covered and the trail hidden. But since the morning snow is so nicely fluffy and dry, I decide to take that trail that crosses the steep northern slopes of Češevnik from Stanov rob to the ridgelet under Poldanovec. Right after the junction from the Lokve-Lazna road, after the ramp, I turn left on the forest road to the end, where there is a larger round clearing with a metal hunting hide. There is also a mark and a sign for Poldanovec (otherwise the only one...). A few steps further, I reach the ridgelet and right on the trail in the direction of Poldanovec. The snow is nice and dry, nothing slips, and walking is a real pleasure. (Still, you need to know that the trail is very exposed and the slopes steep. In wet conditions and snow, I warmly advise against this route for the inexperienced.) And at 8:30 I'm already at the top. What now, it's too early to return. The views reach all the way from Krn to the Kamniks and stop at the highest hill to the southeast. That ridgelet leading to it from the north looks so inviting, and I've never been there either. The map says it's called V. Bukovec (1445 m). I descend to the other side of Poldanovec, via the cart track I reach a larger cart track and turn left on it. Constantly uphill on it (at junctions always the steepest) it brings me to a nice small sinkhole overgrown with spruces. Left around it and I reach that ridgelet. Along the ridge straight right up, even a trail can be felt. When I arrive a bit left on the ridge under the summit, directly right along the ridge to the top with quite some bushwhacking through branches. At the top, a nice view of Golak opens up. From the top, I continue in the same direction ahead (towards the west), but after less than an hour of walking, the terrain with steep grapa doesn't promise much, so I return almost to the top and descend along an indistinct ridge always in the direction a bit right of Poldanovec on nicely passable terrain. But what when halfway a nice transverse trail tempts me, and I turn left onto it. You can nicely see that the path will circularly bypass all northern slopes and bring me circularly around the valley under Poldanovec to the road. The trail gradually turns into a nice forest road that brings me to a saddle, where it turns left towards the south, and to the right a worse cart track branches off in the desired direction. It was nicely visible from afar, and now that I'm on it, I see why: the entire cart track is overgrown with bushes, as if someone had densely sown them, so breaking through is really fun. When I reach lower to the forest signpost, the path clears up and nicely delivers me to the road that leads to the valley under Poldanovec (at that board where the path around the sinkhole is described). From here, left up the road to the flat area, right to the cart track that leads to the lower road, and at the first big right bend (where there is a marker for Poldanovec on the wall) straight to the ridgelet to the trail towards Stanov rob. But the trail is no longer what it was in the morning! The too-warm day has softened the snow and made it icy; it was sliding on the steep slopes, and wet leaves were scary below. What to do in this situation? Variant A (smarter): return back and go all around by road to the starting point. But it is somewhat long and uninteresting; after 8 hours of trudging and bushwhacking, I'm not really in the mood for long walks either. So I choose variant B, which looks something like this: 1. Look around to see if anyone sees you (what would people say...). 2. Pull the ice axe from your backpack and attach it to your hand facing the slope (although you know well it helps little in such conditions), and in the other hand freely take the pole. 3. Check once more if anyone sees you and carefully step forward using the "sequential step" system (lift the back foot only when the front foot is firmly on the ground). And less than an hour before dusk, you arrive at the starting point.
Recap: 3 hours of walking for the body and 6 hours of bushwhacking for the soul. Total: wonderful.
In spring when the snow melts, the beer at Skok (across the grapa) won't run away.








Above Lokve the moon still shines1
Starting point2
Poldanovec awakens3
Little path4
View back5
View from Poldanovec on the traversed path6
Trebuša7
Trebuša8
Julian Alps9
Poldanovec from the other side10
Behind this vrtača we turn right along the ridge11
Poldanovec from V. Bukovca12
Along this indistinct ridge one can descend nicely13
Cross road to the left. Here we turn right onto worse overgrown road.14
Way of the Cross15
Junction to the road16
Approximate course of the path17
Approximate course of the path18
On the return the path is no longer what it was in the morning19
This is how shoes and pants look when you forget your gaiters at home...20
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šodrovec9. 12. 2009 11:18:47
A day ago, I read this post with pleasure ... then it mysteriously disappears ... now it's back in all its Trnovski-gozd off-trail glory. nasmeh Congratulations on the ascent to the summit, to which my available maps show no little trail (nearby yes, but none leads to the very top)! That you haven't been up there yet, I gladly believe – how many have actually been there?

Variant B, in three points, you described beautifully! Quite a few of us have already looked around like that from under our foreheads ... From coastal habit (What if Mum sees me now?!), but without real possibilities that the wilderness could actually surprise us at that moment with some other human being of similar inclinations.

By the way (off topic), since you stood on the VB top exactly between two drage, Mojska (you circled) and Smrekova ... Smrekova can also be circled. South runs the road (Mala Lazna – Mrzla Rupa), north the cart track (junction from the road not far from Anina koča), which is extended NE into a trail. That one is overgrown at the end, and it ends on the road exactly at the sign of the Zgornja Idrijca landscape park.
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igorf9. 12. 2009 13:11:38
Indeed, with the map around here you help a bit with the paths. Even those that are drawn in most cases don't match the actual conditions. It surprises me that nowhere is drawn this road on which I returned and its continuation to the nice mulatjera that crosses S not far under the VB summit towards SE and climbs right to the saddle W of the summit and descends to the other side towards S. Both the road and the mulatjera look old and well-built (the mulatjera across the grapa is even nicely walled, like those from WWI that soldiers built). Once upon an occasion, we'll check that too (probably goes from the upper side to S. Draga...). Well, but that's exactly the charm of off-trail routes and unmarked paths!velik nasmeh
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anka 10. 12. 2009 10:08:56
Well, looks like I won't be wandering there alone anymore, I'm really glad, there are still tons of little paths and we'll find them all, right? Trnovo Forest is full of truck roads, quite a few old ones meant for more or less intensive forest use, so pretty solidly built. The one you stumbled on (igorf) on the way back from VB hasn't been in use for a while. It leads to the road Hudo polje - Škrbina - Anina koča - Mala Lazna, nicely visible on the map. Anina koča is the dot at elev. 1234, where the trail around Smrekova draga starts, or around VB and Poldanovec. Just in case night catches you there, for bivouac: in the triangle between the road and your overgrown track there's a big hollow maple. When will we continue from Stanov rob northeast: to Stador, Kobilca and Drnulk pass?
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igorf10. 12. 2009 11:23:43
Thanks for the tip.
Of course we'll continue and discover more. (My grandma always said: "There are more days than sausages!". Although we've already "chewed" quite a few days, there should still be plenty left.velik nasmeh)
Only I don't know where Drnulk pass is: is it the pass between Stador and Kobilca, or the one that the old military road Čepovan/Dol-Trebuša crosses behind Kobilca, or somewhere else?
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šodrovec10. 12. 2009 17:17:35
Anka, it seems that occasionally some of us do wander through more or less solitary peaks, ridges, gullies, sinkholes, paths, clearings, cart tracks, roads of Trnovo Forest... To accidentally meet at the same spot at the same time is really extremely rare. Simply explainable: the area is remote for non-locals, yet incredibly vast and ruggedly folded, mostly forested and with poor views. In short, uninteresting for most!

Actually, I wanted to praise your idea (it's already in the bag) - my eyes have wandered that way several times. Well, I tried a couple of paths leading down to Trebuša from the ridge between Stanov rob and Sovrob (east of the hut at Lazna) (one, actually a cart track down to V Laze above Trebuša is even marked).

Actually, I know nothing about the passability of the ridge from Sovrob to Drnulk pass (a "road" from Trebuša leads over it, under it you can find masses of boletus at the right time) nor about possible views from Stador or Kobilca. But today I remembered that locals in Trebuša once told me there's (was) also a path climbing from Podkobilca (or right from Trebuša) up over the pass between Stador and Kobilca.
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anka 11. 12. 2009 10:20:11
Nice feeling that someone else has eyed this mysterious corner too. At Drnulk (as šodrovec already wrote) the road between Kobilca and Čepovanski Vrši crosses into Čepovanska dolina. The path from Podkobilca is a pilgrimage path to Sv. Gora, but unfortunately that part is still completely unknown to me, I assume there were more paths between Lazami and the road to Drnulk.
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šodrovec11. 12. 2009 12:59:48
Somewhat off the main topic (but close).
When the pilgrimage path was mentioned, I was wondering where I had read about it. Now I know - PV 2007 (Terpin) - his informants were locals too. With them, if (even) of nobler vintage, the little paths over Govce are still safely stored in youthful memories. We'll ask them again and come off a bit odd. mežikanje
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igorf13. 12. 2009 20:42:49
At the beginning of winter, after heavier rains and weather forecast "it will be colder and mostly dry...", probably many of us think of quite a few well-known and often visited destinations, like e.g.: Ratitovec, Kobla, Rožca, Lipanca with nearby neighbors, etc. Just nice ringing names, and when you boast to acquaintances where you've been, they more or less know or at least imagine where it is.

But, as Močilar once told on a Sunday afternoon in the shade of a linden on a bench:
"It was winter and snow lay all around. Krpan was carrying on his mare along a narrow path a few hundredweights of salt; suddenly a fine carriage comes towards him; in the carriage sat Emperor Janez, who was just heading to Trieste. Krpan quickly grabs the mare and the load with it and carries it aside so the carriage wouldn't overturn it.
The Emperor, who apparently liked the fellow, continues: 'Hey, you know how to handle such things. But how did you move the little horse so easily? It really doesn't have much meat; but at least it has bones.'
Krpan grins a bit and says: 'I know your horses have more meat; but still I wouldn't trade my MARE for all four harnessed here. As for carrying, sir, I could carry two such mares for two hours' walk and even longer if needed.'

I leave the car at Lazna at the end of the asphalt. And here's the first unexpected surprise: no trace of snow. Up high there are dark clouds, but visibility is excellent, cold such that toes ache almost after lacing the boots. I stride briskly across the meadow straight towards the wall adorning the southern edge of Stador. And here's the second surprise: where are all those rocks, scree, sinkholes, thickets that boast around Poldanovec? It's a nice clean beech forest with nicely (almost too nicely / promenade-like) carpeted leaves reminiscent more of some Gorenjska hillock than Trnovo forest wilderness. The ground is so frozen that walking on leaves is like on a carpet. And one-two-three I'm at the top. I look towards Poldanovec almost wrapped in clouds, Stanov rob and Češevik clad in ivy and continue north. But on the other side down the ridge it's a different story. The ridge narrows, right steep walls into Trebuša, left towards Čepovan beech forest and leaves of respectable slope. But since the terrain is frozen, going on leaves is very nice, foot sinks but nothing slips. Just watch not to step on bare (earth, roots, moss), because there it's hard as concrete. If there was snow, I wouldn't dare here. As for orientation, nothing to add: just along the ridge all the way to Kobilca and back the same. Only where not possible right on the edge, we detour to the forest. A bit before the saddle between Stador and Kobilca I come to a nice forest path that a few steps further leads to the saddle. And here really over from Trebuša to Čepovan a nice wide path, almost cart track, visibly long out of use ("for pilgrims"). From afar it looked like Kobilca ridge densely covered with beech forest and spruces, so I was prepared for "bushwhacking". But it serves me the third surprise: not spruces, but pines, terrain nice clean and a nicely visible pathlet on it. A few steps further and fourth surprise: marker. Real proper Knaflič marker on a stone. First I think it's hallucination from cold and wind, but up close I see it's real. Who marked here? Ah, no, this stone accidentally flew here from Otlice when the devil slipped at Lokavec and horned into the edge carving Otliško okno. The trodden pathlet (similar to that from Vrtovina to Kucelj) quickly brings me to Kobilca, where the fifth surprise awaits: nice new box, inside neat logbook and stamp. All praise to diligent folks... From Kobilca onwards faster than I'd think along comfortable wide gentle ridge to Drnulk pass. I touch the road and turn back. Return is easier, as uphill slopes to Stador much more passable.
Since on return (as before) no big crowds, I quietly think to myself: where does that barely visible pathlet go, descending before J wall of Stador towards Trebuša? Where does the path over the pass between Stador and Kobilca to Trebuša join the trail? Where does the pathlet lead a bit further from the saddle that branches right through V slopes of Kobilca? And I somewhat doubt my grandma's saying about days and sausages.
View towards Stadorje from Lazna1
Stador2
A bit too much Gorenjska-style3
Poldanovec shyly hides4
Narrow and steep ridge5
View back6
Kobilica7
Path from Trebuše over the saddle between Stadorjem and Kobilica8
Path to Kobilica9
Can't be true but it is10
Surprise11
Really nice12
I agree...13
Towards Drnulk pass14
Drnulk pass15
Homemade? Homemade! and with jelly. Ingredients in the sausages are homemade frozen ground.16
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šodrovec13. 12. 2009 22:15:24
Congratulations! Haha, and we so damn smart...
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anka 14. 12. 2009 10:56:29
Super, done, whole path hiked and it'll be easier for us. On old maps there's a drawn path to this saddle from Podkobilca. With Terpin search in PV tons found, especially for continuation NE (easier part, also for winter conditions) to Skopica: Čepovanske Vrše!
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d1licen11. 02. 2010 19:59:32
Ascent done on 8.2.2010. In one word super. Loooads of snowzavijanje z očmi
Path nicely trodden.
path turns to light1
in slight mist2
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ksena12. 02. 2010 17:15:25
Today no trace of any track to Poldanovecmrk pogled. Had to bushwhack alone. With skis of course much easier than on foot. Because of heavy snow whirling (blowing like mad) I turned back. Before Mojska draga I turned towards Turški klanc, where it blew much less, skis glided nicely along the cross-country track they pulled through the forest. Nice afternoon tour.
Puddles1
lonely ski track2
whiteness3
islet in the snow4
idyll5
contrast6
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sun caught in the treetop8
swirling snow9
view towards the west10
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