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| Rak25. 08. 2012 17:57:28 |
Interesting and instructive debate from the first post onwards. The more I read, the more I learned and the more I know, the more I realize how little I actually know. So as not to just philosophize, the problem of what kind of self-belaying on "normal" trails in the high mountains or where there are already tensioned "cables" with pegs bothers me too. I'm getting on in years, close to three-quarters of a hundred, I don't lack mountaineering experience, I've been mountaineering since childhood, but lately I prefer to go alone, I like to photograph, and as someone already mentioned, also where it can be dangerous, e.g., when you're on the "cable". I got a helmet, now I'm deciding on a safety harness, but the fact that I already wear a "photographic" (some kind of climbing) harness around my waist, with lens and attachments, makes the decision difficult for me.
Since I only lack Razor and stamps around Triglav to complete the transverzale, where I have wandered many years ago, but mostly from the Pokljuka side, I ask for any opinion and advice. Others' experiences are worth their weight in gold, even from younger ones. But I know the decision is ultimately mine anyway.
Otherwise, I'll keep visiting hills and mountains as long as my head and legs serve, of course various "via ferratas" are off.
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| turbo25. 08. 2012 21:30:14 |
@Rak,
At Iglušport, rental of a one-piece climbing harness is 4.99€ for three days !!!
If the tours where the harness is needed aren't planned much, rental might be worth considering.
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| Rak26. 08. 2012 12:14:43 |
primoza,turbo, thanks for the advice, both are very useful. And good luck in the mountains!
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| Zebdi29. 08. 2012 12:02:28 |
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| Becar29. 08. 2012 14:54:38 |
This is unbelievable! Have all these saved too much in production? At the expense of safety? Or is it stuff from China with a sticker over? This is all for suing and shutting down. Capitalism.
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| urbancek29. 08. 2012 15:30:20 |
Interesting that all with "pouches". I still trust the regular ones with the plate the most...
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| Zebdi29. 08. 2012 15:37:47 |
As far as I understand, the problem isn't even in the pouches, but in those elastic slings...
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| Keko29. 08. 2012 18:54:01 |
I have a feeling that these stretchy slings are from the same supplier who supplied various manufacturers across Europe and now they all have the same problems.
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| keber129. 08. 2012 21:45:20 |
Most safety equipment is made in China, even by the most renowned manufacturers, just read the labels a bit.
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| BibaS30. 08. 2012 08:49:29 |
I looked a bit at the equipment here and in Austria - and the products sold here (Petzl) were made in China, while I noticed that those on sale in Austria were made in France
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| Zebdi30. 08. 2012 09:19:36 |
Quite possible, although personally I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. I know tons of people using Petzl gear, and generally there were very few complaints about quality, if any. Let's leave recalls aside (there were quite a few of them), I'm talking about usage experiences. Even if there are quality differences between Chinese and French stuff, none of the acquaintances has noticed them yet.
Which products did you compare?
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| Keko30. 08. 2012 10:58:16 |
Petzl itself had a recall of via ferrata sets last year due to the death of a Frenchman, because the seams gave way.
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| keber130. 08. 2012 11:58:01 |
@Zebdi: I see quality in safety gear as a guarantee of safety. There are known issues with Petzl's Reverso 3, which Petzl didn't want to admit, but I know of several cases. I myself had problems with a Black Diamond via ferrata set (the karabiner wouldn't close), which we "fixed" by exchanging it.
Anyway, you can't expect many complaints about it, since safety gear is exactly the line between life and death. How they handle safety in Chinese factories, we've read about in many places, but I certainly don't believe they rigorously test every piece of gear, or that Swiss, Germans, Austrians, Italians and French have lots of their own reps in those factories - if any, besides ignorant sales reps.
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| neph30. 08. 2012 12:35:55 |
Unfortunately, I'm also the owner of a Reverso 3 from the "problematic" series... I wanted to claim warranty, but the sellers told me there had already been quite a few such claims and none were accepted. I think with such incidents a company like Petzl loses quite a bit of trust.
Overall, climbing gear is certainly quite safe and we can trust it a lot.
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| Keko30. 08. 2012 12:41:12 |
ATC from Black Diamond is better in this regard, as sharp edges that could damage the rope don't appear when worn.
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| neph30. 08. 2012 12:44:09 |
I agree! Manufacturers claim they fixed the mentioned issue with the fourth series of Reverso. Time will tell if they're telling the truth.
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| Keko30. 08. 2012 12:54:24 |
When buying, I also hesitated between Petzl's fourth series Reverso and ATC and due to doubt that the issue was really fixed, I chose ATC instead.
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| Zebdi30. 08. 2012 14:53:54 |
@keber1: yeah, but those problems with Reverso 3 didn't affect safety. They did heavily affect rope life, which is first-class sloppiness from Petzl and if they were at all serious, they'd replace the suspect products. Luckily my first Reverso still serves well 
Otherwise I wanted to say that in practice we probably won't notice the difference between French and Chinese gear. Either it's OK or the whole series is crap...
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| medo*2. 09. 2012 23:56:11 |
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