Short German-Zimmer Jahn 800m IV-/II-III
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| BT8813. 09. 2015 10:55:30 |
Viper didn't say it's II. if it says four exit Zimmer-Jahn II-III 800+300m and some do it
...Solo Uline in Triglav but no one solos 
Pa fletn se kuj mejte
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| jedriličar30. 06. 2016 14:48:18 |
Super, congrats ...
but this misleading doesn't fly with me ... short german isn't walk (means can't walk it, gotta climb it), and that it's just a bit harder than slovenian, not true, cos slovenian 95% walk, german 90% climb .... bit less underestimating, all ok ...
Naturally, just my humble opinion ... and climbed german few times and know what I say ...
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| JusAvgustin30. 06. 2016 17:44:56 |
Why on rope if a bit harder... Not exactly extreme but no walk either...
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| DarjaZaplotnik30. 06. 2016 19:26:36 |
@slavkoa...the entry is complete misleading of people on the mountaineering forum!
Otherwise both predecessors already said how and what. And I agree with both.
best d 
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| viharnik30. 06. 2016 19:49:05 |
Short German was climbed last also by Silvo with brother Stane. As said they traversed above to Slovenian on ledges and descended via it to Vrata. In between they crossed three snow patches too, 1cm deep, otherwise quite hard and slippery, crampons mandatory, upper part of Slovenian still under snow. Snow starts at Zlatorog ledges.
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| Daaam30. 06. 2016 19:51:11 |
I doubt anyone is so dumb and brain-fried to think from above entry that short german is slightly harder walk. (maybe awkwardly written, not decima now nailed to cross) Juš you also said for Lenuhova and Kramrca in good conditions it's walk
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| grega_z_brega30. 06. 2016 20:26:19 |
You can see from pics that auntie climbs all 4.
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| JusAvgustin30. 06. 2016 20:47:27 |
True. I don't deny it, but I replied to specific person who has already climbed quite a lot. Essential difference between Slovenian in Wall II. grade and Short German which is IV-... Enough words. You don't tire of Short German. Same as Slovenian with variants.
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| slavkoa1. 07. 2016 07:36:56 |
I see you misunderstood me, so correction of entry. Everyone knows difference in difficulty between routes, individual's impression depends on conditions and preparation. On rope every normal mountaineer would be in such route and no misleading. Really disappointed with "mountaineers" on this forum who see only negative things in every entry and some proofs and polemicize endlessly. Always thought mountaineers are happy, willing and friendly people, but based on this forum I'll change opinion, heartily hope you behave differently in mountains. Hope you won't resent word "mountaineer"... not meant negative... Nice day and safe step in mountains to all.
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| Zebdi1. 07. 2016 08:03:36 |
I slightly doubt "normal mountaineer" goes to IV-
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| jedriličar1. 07. 2016 08:41:38 |
Of course not, that's why I wrote it's misleading. If you write route is bit harder than slovenian then think of consequences too that some mountaineer will rush into it and rescue after first pitch... internet is fucked thing, post pics up and don't explain real difficulty, and next day line of repeaters rushing to route or hill cuz saw pics, and it's full cool and easy too... so bit responsibility in posts wouldn't hurt...
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| andrej781. 07. 2016 08:50:36 |
No mountaineer will rush into Slovenian nor German route...all who tackle it have proper company and protection, so congrats to mountaineer lady...unnecessary debate...
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| gandalf1. 07. 2016 09:44:14 |
I'm wondering if that's only snow in route (pic 19).
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| slavkoa1. 07. 2016 11:45:59 |
A bit higher there's already "viharnik" explanation regarding snow, there's still some and crampons and ice axe are mandatory at least for me. To "Jedriličarju" my opinion about his writing was nicely explained by "andrej78". Probably in the "alpinistični vzponi" section no individual will go on the tour based on pictures without gear, company and protection. No need to underestimate the intellect of this forum's readers that much. Still, I can write: The route is difficult, full winter gear is needed, appropriate physical and mental preparation and to all who go for the first time I suggest alpinist accompaniment too. IS THIS OK??
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| MatejaP1. 07. 2016 13:16:14 |
I completely agree with Marijan, because I also climbed this route myself, of course as second in the rope team.
I think you need basic alpinism knowledge, belaying, roping up and everything that goes with it, if you rely only on the rope that the leader gives you, I think it's irresponsible to both. What if something happens to the first by chance, then crying and to the tree. The upper pitch in my opinion isn't quite easy and IV- isn't for ordinary hikers, although I don't underestimate them, because I'm one of them too
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| Rokson1. 07. 2016 13:39:52 |
@slavkoa
Did your better half climb also as first in the rope team? On the photos she's actually only as second in the rope team.
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| Daaam1. 07. 2016 14:33:29 |
90% of posts under "current conditions" are usual self-praise and sharing experiences with other readers. And Slavko's post doesn't stand out from the average in any way. Stop "bashing" already, you're a bit annoying
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| slavkoa1. 07. 2016 16:12:07 |
Rokson - she was of course second in the rope team with an experienced alpinist who didn't want to be named and shown in photos, so I didn't write a whole novel about the tour either, as is customary, since there's a lot written about this route in previous posts. But if someone needs info about the ascent, we're happy to help. MatejaP: believe me we prepare responsibly for every tour and suggest the same to others, so no need to divide people into "ordinary hikers" and other "know-it-alls" that some of you think you are. At our 50 years we've hiked and climbed so many of our beautiful peaks that we've learned not to underestimate any ascent ever, nor the people who go into the mountains.
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| Rokson1. 07. 2016 17:16:51 |
In this case even the term "climbed" is not appropriate. See ethics and ascent evaluation:
http://alpirocnik.rasica.org/index.php/Eti%C4%8Dni_kodeks#Poro.C4.8Danje
"The ascent must be done without top-rope protection."
I have nothing against getting help for goals beyond your abilities, but just bragging that someone pulled you up the route on tension, that's not it.
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