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Viharnik's attic

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lino31. 10. 2015 18:07:04
Viharnik, if everyone thought as thriftily as you, we'd quickly have another Switzerland here.
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Branee31. 10. 2015 19:37:29
I already see the technologist.. siporex glued with ceramic adhesive.. Already that from one corner picture and lecturing about craftsmen.. Don't know what ones you know but yeah, cheap ain't good. Installation by a real pro of a Velux window is from 120€ up, all depends on roofing etc. Just not clear to me where you'll stuff 300 direct hangers, which are used for ceilings. For suspended ceilings (which prevail in attics) anchor hangers are used.. and hangers aren't twisted beforehand...
. Real horror. Drywall is mounted systematically. Ceiling (direct hangers at 90cm, then CD at 50cm), suspended ceilings (anchor and never direct, that's what complete amateurs and quasi-craftsmen do, which are about 80% here. There anchors screwed at 90cm, CDs at 40cm). That's how and purely no other way per catalogue. Not to mention vapor barrier foil and assembling insulation or even cellulose blowing. Please, give another pic of the expert working so real pros can have a good laugh.
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miri31. 10. 2015 20:25:38
After a long time - this is it.
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viharnik31. 10. 2015 21:04:40
Eh, Brane, another tough expert?.
First, in the attic I have everything possible, including the putty that's only for tiles (there are many for different installation locations, loads and types of ceramics, stone when laying), which I laid.
Secondly, Velux window installation prices range from 80 to 90 eur, with installers having their own calculation on window purchase, offering the customer the window a measly 10 eur cheaper than retail at Obnova or Mix, with the difference in their favor on taxation lower by 13%. Installing such a window under normal installation conditions in the roof really isn't rocket science if you read the instructions, stick to the lines and master tool work.
For usual smaller roof pitches, both anchor hangers and direct ones are used, and you finish the ceiling at a height suitable for available attic height, at mine it'll be just 18cm Unifit above-standard 035 insulation, which Knauf Insulation advisors also confirmed is plenty. Anchor hangers I didn't take because I stuffed the semi-permeable foil on the battens. Regarding joints of the final vapor barrier foil, it's all clear to me too - tape all joints together, which still awaits me. I don't know where you builders see the problem in such simple work as attic apartments.
Compared to wiring control units of hydronic systems, where there are hundreds of conductors to first label and connect all correctly per plan, these building processes are pure routine comparatively, sometimes hard to grasp something, otherwise all child's play, I almost sleep next to it when building. All goes by one learned pattern, and if you do more of it, you gain eye-measure like Bosnian building masters have. Then you're competitively fast and relatively quality too, thus earn more time-wise.
Overall, I also had a check by a Bosnian colleague who daily does practically all construction work on site and as foreman has all building science under his little finger.
I played around with this one a bit in early autumn - lime tree namely1
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Branee31. 10. 2015 21:30:21
No problem, just laughing at the nonsense you spout. Velux window for that money a fuser at Mix installs for you and on top at Mercator they do these things themselves rejects.. you come to Trzin seminar try to teach them it's like giving forks and knife to a calf. With direct hangers you got nothing to do on suspended and end of debate here. Yeah with Bosnians, why not them.. they botch because you seek cheap then you get them and complain. Writing can sometimes during work just not. Well go nicely putty siporex with MQ adhesive velik nasmeh
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Branee31. 10. 2015 21:31:45
Ahaha, you laid the ceramics nicely, you can see that you slept next to itvelik nasmeh
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viharnik31. 10. 2015 21:39:30
Brane, then go teach them at Mix-a where direct hangers are used. My colleague has an even steeper roof and his attic holds nicely with direct hangers.
For siporex everyone uses gray putty, because it's 50% cheaper and sticks just as wellvelik nasmeh.
Regarding Velux masters, they told me in Trzin that they themselves can't influence the quality of their installers. I wanted to tell them that they themselves authorized such ones with a license, not people who want just good installation on their houses, so I stayed quiet.
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viharnik31. 10. 2015 21:42:09
Come on, Brane, I do way better than many building masters, but with much less mileage in it. Look, for me it's extra good, if not for someone, that's their problemzadrega.
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Branee31. 10. 2015 21:56:43
Well, I'm not kidding, I respect that you want to do it yourself too. Everyone is master of his own house
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viharnik31. 10. 2015 22:07:26
Brane, I'd send you to first grade of construction school. Check out below in two pics the general standard rules for Knauf direct hangers in combination with CD profiles on a sloped roof http://www.ravago.si/vodici_po_gradnji_suhomontaza.php
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Branee31. 10. 2015 22:10:08
Ravago ahahaha
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viharnik31. 10. 2015 22:13:00
Come on Brane, better go drink some Laškovelik nasmeh.
Ravago by the way operates with highly professional staff. They deal with high-tech materials in their implementation and installation as well as consulting engineering. They are partnered with a firm in Luxembourg, from where all quality vapor-permeable foils like Tyvek come, if I'm not mistaken.
If Ravago were just ahahaha by your reckoning, they wouldn't have such a modern building behind, which doesn't come from thin air; that's what it would be called.
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Branee31. 10. 2015 22:52:58
You are missing a lot about who's who in construction engineering etc., but I don't blame you because you're not from that field.
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viharnik1. 11. 2015 06:06:20
Brane, when you have a firm like Ravago engineering yourself, then I might believe you on something; until then every bucket scoops up water, the one with a hole or withoutvelik nasmehzadrega.
When I was seventeen years old, I was already concreting the fence around the house with Dad; we're not from yesterdayvelik nasmeh.
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miri1. 11. 2015 06:51:14
Of course not, if you still have the fence concreted.velik nasmeh
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viharnik1. 11. 2015 07:00:34
He he Miri, that's a good rhyme!mežikanje
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Branee1. 11. 2015 09:32:15
Ravago is small fry even by today's standards. We have a company registered in Vienna for 25 years with dozens of employees including two architects and engineers among others. You with the concreted fence just calm your horses cuz so far you haven't done one thing right, gobcas, and for 3 private guys what do you know and can. Now I'll go to the mountains. Come on, attach a couple photos of what you've done so I can tell you over pics what's all wrong.mežikanje
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Branee1. 11. 2015 16:42:13
Like this, so no empty pounding: we just finished a zero-energy house worth 2.7 million € for Primozu. Well, on such projects you gotta be alert..
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SamoK1. 11. 2015 16:57:17
Pretty disgusting.
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Branee1. 11. 2015 17:18:59
As I said, everyone is master of their own house. He wanted it that way and that's how he got it.
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