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| peter221. 06. 2015 10:40:15 |
Common stinker, not svinjak...
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| dleskovec21. 06. 2015 12:49:29 |
Yes. Brane, the "svinjak" has such leaves, and you're right about "silju" too! Thanks!
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| velkavrh21. 06. 2015 18:59:03 |
I know the stinker—I mixed up the names.
Today only in Stiško vas—at 850 m—is the elevation at Škerjančev.
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| tistikaktus22. 06. 2015 00:13:59 |
Hi everyone
I need help, specifically by mid-August I must collect flowering plants, dry them and put them in a herbarium. I'm interested where plants flower during July and August. Otherwise I live on the coast, and somewhere near the coast would be most convenient for collecting. Thanks
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| otiv22. 06. 2015 06:33:40 |
Snežnik offers a lot, namely in July.
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| otiv22. 06. 2015 08:44:10 |
Hello vacationer Apolonija!
I hope it was pleasant on the coast and you still saw some flower before the summer heat which "scorches everything" on the coast.
Without your help we can't manage...thanks for the field scabious.
Best and some little flowers to all in greeting.
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| velkavrh22. 06. 2015 11:35:18 |
Apolonija, I corrected regarding bellflowers and campanulas.
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| Apolonija24. 06. 2015 01:23:39 |
Zlatica, I'm glad you returned and served such a collection of plants and their knowledge so quickly. Bravo! Quickly due to late hour just a few instead of question:
-upright clematis (Clematis recta)
-87 and 88 looks like mountain germander that will bloom yet
-you found pink variety-meadow sage
Maybe tufted rock-jasmine and not rock-crevice rock-jasmine?
More tomorrow.
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| velkavrh24. 06. 2015 08:01:26 |
Now I add my little bit too. Kamniški vrh is always worth it and Alenka M. explored it nicely for us.
No. 35,36 - this will be mountain silj, mountain deer clover is similar in growth -30-150cm. On thin stems it has compact club-shaped inflorescences. They are much larger and more branched than mountain silj.
No. 38,38 - Common lady's mantle
No. 72,73 - not Obir speedwell - Obir speedwell has at the stem end somehow in a cluster 3 to 5 cm long stemlets each with one flower. Leaves are woolly gray hairy. Your flower will probably be Austrian ragwort.
No. 87,88 - I think this is forest betony, not necessarily. Need to check the blooming.
No. 99 - is meadow sage. Apolonija and I know it. Otherwise it exists cultivated. Also found in nature, but rarer.
No. 89 - is tufted rock-jasmine.
No. 102,103 - looks like some gentian. I'll check more. But I know it's not gentian. I found and identified this flower there myself. Alenka doesn't have it on the list. Currently I don't remember the name.
Nice thistle I've never seen pink.
No. 40 - harder to identify avens exactly.
No. 77 - common barrenwort.
I really have to go to Kamniški vrh again soon. I always go with Ambrož, well almost always.
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| zlatica24. 06. 2015 09:24:12 |
Apolonija, Brane, that's what I needed, your corrections are most welcome. After rechecking the remaining photos and your comments I agree that 89 is tufted rock-jasmine, since the habitat wasn't rocky at all, but grassy. Now I know what to pay more attention to next time. Pink meadow sage is something completely new to me. Brane, regarding Obir speedwell (typo in text, of course I meant Obir) I'd say it's not Austrian ragwort. The stem was quite grayish towards the bottom and on leaves similar to those you identified for me as Obir speedwell some time ago (attaching photo from then). I don't know if I noticed correctly that when this plant grows and blooms, that grayish silvery hue of stem and leaves fades and becomes a bit greener. Adding now photo of the lower part of the flower. The location was the same too. I thought of gentian too, but don't recognize these different species. Apolonija, yes clematis is 82-83, didn't click before! Regarding silj Brane, do you really think it's not deer clover, the leaves seem decisive to me, softer at silj, at deer clover more like wine rue. Don't know, just thinking. Regarding "pink" nice thistle thanks to Apolonija who discovered and confirmed it based on one specimen I found at Rakov Škocjan and presented to you then without knowing what it was. Betony or germander still remains a puzzle. Brane, one more thing, if you go with Ambrož you miss a lot of special flowers on the southern slope of K.v. Well then
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| Apolonija24. 06. 2015 09:29:13 |
No time for more precise dealing.
Now only I see, Zlatica, that you replied. Regarding speedwell I was in dilemma too, but allowed that plant is old and one leaf seemed grayish to me. Now seeing whole plant, certainly right diagnosis.
Leaves really more similar to deer clover.
87, 88 in my opinion not forest betony. If it is, looks like tufted betony.
Not gentian, because no characteristic petals, need to investigate. Flowers and only flowers similar to handsome flax. More time in evening.
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| velkavrh24. 06. 2015 10:01:20 |
zlatica, this is Obir speedwell. In previous presentation not seen well.
This year I was at Kamniški vrh only once and via Osredek pasture then to Senožeti - so below, not along ridge and then not past Roža, but via scree and from other side - a bit strenuous - after those switchbacks that never end. Return then along entire ridge (Planjava) back, see pasture from above then.
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| zlatica24. 06. 2015 10:56:24 |
It's nice when we agree on dilemmas. Debate is a useful thing and means a lot to me. Photos can sometimes really be misleading. Branko, I see you process KV from several sides, so not much flora remains hidden from you. Switchbacks are really awful, most annoying to me on descent.  . So only "smiljka" and šebenik remain open...we're in touch.
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| Apolonija24. 06. 2015 13:01:56 |
Brane, do your and Zlatica's leaves seem the same to you? Not to me. Isn't the unknown from the wild pogačica and on 21 gozdni repinec, 24 navadna rosnica, 25 grenkuljica and rumenka navadni svinjak?
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| zlatica24. 06. 2015 16:12:06 |
Brane, I really understand your curiosity and precisely with that you discovered and confirmed to me once again that the leaves of silj are more parsley-like in appearance (said amateurishly), while the leaves of jelenovec are more compact and more subdued green in color. I didn't fully understand what you actually think now about "my" jelenovec. Is it or isn't it? And one more little thing. The flower of jelenovec seems fuller to me in the corymb, while the flower of silj is more airy and the groups of florets inside the corymb have greater spacing, I don't know how to say it differently. I have one more closer photo of the already wilted part of jelenovec, if it helps.
Apolonija, your vrednik is really very very similar to mine, so the dilemma vrednik or šebenik is very much in place. If nothing else, I'll go see it when it flowers and I can also go check that devilish "smiljko" again in these days and make better shots, because I exactly remember where it grew. Ciao
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| velkavrh24. 06. 2015 19:52:53 |
When I look at the pics of gorska peščenka -Arenara montana- I agree with Apolonija. It will be necessary to tell Alenka M. that our zlatica has discovered a new flower on Kamniški vrh that Alenka M. doesn't have in the list.
Tomorrow I'm going botanizing Krvavec lengthwise and crosswise. Probably something will be visible. Last year I botanized it with the wider area (also Kalški greben and Kalško gora, Kalce, all five pastures, Kompotelo, Ježo ridge, Košutno, Vrh Korena, Mokrico, Kržišče, Veliki Zvoh). I no longer remember how many mountain flowers I counted at the end. There were surely over a hundred - I don't remember the number. Among others also kamniško ivanščico, vanež, several types of kamnokrečev, from smallest alpine bells to pikastocvetne kukavice.
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