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| redbull15. 04. 2021 19:11:08 |
Those who have something in their head probably know how long it takes to make and test a vaccine, as Polona said. But it's exactly the opposite of before. Now it looks almost like some rats invented the vaccine and are now testing on people, only then will they see if it's worth using on them. So you can see there's not much smoothness here. I have one more from the real world: At our work, most, bosses etc. fuss with these masks. All had Covid, only me and my colleague who haven't put on masks at work for a year since the beginning still haven't had this "deadly" virus. I've surely offended many older mountaineers with my opinion over the year. Take it or leave it, everyone can express their own opinion, I don't judge anyone.
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| VanSims15. 04. 2021 19:12:25 |
As @parenzo already said, the vaccine isn't 100%. 90% is very good reliability. Your grandma overcame the second corona well also thanks to the vaccine. If the vaccine doesn't protect someone from infection, it almost 100% does from severe course.
True though, things won't be normal so quickly just with the vaccine. There are new strains, vaccines need to be adapted. It will take at least another two, if not three years, for it to become seasonal like flu with that many (maybe more, maybe less) annual victims. Vaccination (seasonal) and herd immunity will play key roles here. We'll probably never get rid of it completely.
@redbull: with the mask you protect others more. Others protected you two with the mask, but you didn't protect others.
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 19:17:18 |
I just don't get it. How do some (say VanSims) still talk about some excess deaths, when I showed you graphs of mortality in the largest European countries a few days ago, where it's clearly visible there was no excess mortality in 2020. Now I don't know, do you really have your head in the sand and ears plugged, or what's up with that.  Admit this fact once and rather direct your energy to researching why it was different for us in the last 3 months of 2020, why we were unique.
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| dprapr15. 04. 2021 19:43:17 |
I just talked to a close relative who went through hell because of covid. She returned from the hospital yesterday. She even said, which surprises me given Becar's studies, that she saw no dolls on any bed, but only patients in serious condition. She says she wouldn't wish something like that on anyone.
Yes Dejan, VanSims told you nicely, it can be smooth on one side or the other, whichever way you turn it. 
Everyone of course has the right to their opinion and freedom, as long as it doesn't encroach on others' space.
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 19:49:01 |
I didn't say that dolls are visible in this otherwise distinctly pro-vaccine propaganda video, but that due to the filming speed you can't see if they are actually people. That Shutterstock photo was later deleted, probably the advertiser wasn't satisfied. Dprapr, did you count 31 of them? Otherwise regarding your relatives... a few days ago they told me about similar statements that they are anecdotal - indicative and that I shouldn't conclude from my experiences. Let's all stick to that then, right.
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| redbull15. 04. 2021 20:52:20 |
Take a vacation and go and do Everesting on Gonžarco tomorrow morning
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| MitjaBelak15. 04. 2021 20:52:24 |
Time will surely slowly tell its own. And it will be connected with #the virus#, or around #the virus#. The fact is probably for sure that profiteers will be even richer, and the poor even poorer. The only thing both will achieve is that we will all be even more on our own sides, some with more in pocket, some with less, not to say without, which is also the purpose of all this. Slowly the people will hate each other more because of this than the damage virus with vaccines together will do. AND It's hard to convince the convinced, that has already been shown up here in these 130 pages. Just like dprapr wrote in the last sentence a bit back, from , , as long as it doesn't infringe on another's space. I would just add that this space is mainly that in the head. And not again, some have others don't, etc.... HAVE A NICE WEEKEND.
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| andi215. 04. 2021 21:39:49 |
Work was tough, push hike after work even more. Turn onto the highway, turn on cruise control, smoothie in one hand and time for Covid news. Then the news about the real reality stings my conscience (I didn't even know I still had one after so many years of activity beyond the law ). I turn around right in the middle of the highway and straight to the hospital ICU. Letter. Otherwise very nice that hospitals are watching taxpayer money and no longer hiring expensive actors and homeless people. But, people - dummies! Of 19 beds, only three real patients, the rest very well camouflaged mannequin dummies. If I didn't have access right next to it, I wouldn't believe it. I take pictures, want to post to support prof. Becar alias AI antiCovid in her noble mission. But conscience stops me - even dummies have the right to personal dignity and integrity in serious illness. So - nothing from photo evidence. But you can believe us on our word. And yes, it's true - Sirus r30 has the password for settings ZdravcPrleskaMafija. Once you crack the system, it's all really simple. Easier to go to sleep, truth really liberates. lp
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 21:58:54 |
Think a bit, if your work isn't perhaps too strenuous
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 22:13:30 |
There are many miracles and coincidences lately. This miracle is one of the latest in a row, namely the head of the Danish Medicines Agency Tanja Erichsen faints during a press conference on stopping AZ vaccination.
COLLAPSE TANJA ERICHSEN
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| redbull16. 04. 2021 02:25:10 |
Then, Vansims, if we didn't wear masks there would be no infections. That's how words sound. Experts said masks protect nothing, and you still hammer on about masks. In 10 years we'll laugh looking back at what stupid things we did
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| andi216. 04. 2021 06:45:23 |
In the morning we line up right away, as is customary every day, to pledge our loyalty to the one and only - Covid virus. And suddenly people start collapsing, especially propaganda leaders. Check precisely. All of them after collapse were vaccinated with AZ one day before. Obviously a direct connection or serious side effect! Nothing, continue carefully in the fight for our dear Covid. #truth liberates. Lp
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| dprapr16. 04. 2021 07:58:55 |
"In 10 years we'll laugh looking back at what stupid things we did"
Maybe it's just a bone to gnaw on that you threw us before early morning departure on the tour, but anyway...
Those who could still live in ten years but sadly already have or will die from covid won't laugh easily. Likewise I don't believe the relatives of the dead will laugh.
Be well, wherever you are.
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| ppegan16. 04. 2021 09:15:44 |
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| SamoK16. 04. 2021 09:28:23 |
ppegan, nobody ever claimed that vaccines are 100% reliable!
With some elementary school math, you can figure it out for yourself that with such a large number of vaccinated people as in the USA, the cited numbers aren't particularly worrying.
You take everything too absolutely, you know. Things aren't just black or white.
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| dprapr16. 04. 2021 09:32:09 |
5800 out of 126 million!? It seems the vaccines are even more effective than expected.
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| SamoK16. 04. 2021 09:40:09 |
But the important question is whether the media employ only people who don't master even elementary school math, or whether they count on having such readers.
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| Janez5216. 04. 2021 10:22:44 |
SamoK, I think most media work on the principle: It's not news if a dog bit a man. It's news if a man bit a dog.
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| julius16. 04. 2021 10:48:21 |
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