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| Trobec15. 04. 2021 12:31:31 |
Jax, exactly.
It reminds me of that folk "wisdom": "when there's war, war is for everyone". Well...in principle yes...but most suffer because of it, some make good money.
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 13:43:53 |
Constitutional Court decided we're going into mega military investment. Any similarity of events with the new water cannon at JJ government's takeover and 600 new police vehicles is purely coincidental. The mafia fears the referendum because it knows the outcome in advance, then there wouldn't be million commissions.
Obviously, WW3 will really be mafia against the people.
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| pantani115. 04. 2021 13:44:23 |
The smart ones got vaccinated, well, just another one who thinks he's the smartest and insults all others who think differently or with their own head.
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 13:49:36 |
Parenzo, you're completely crazy. Did some vegetarian give you the basket? You didn't get vaccinated for covid because you're smart, but because you're scared, obedient, and trained. Now keep your fingers crossed that you don't get some thrombosis, because that's quite common now, but it's not related to vaccines, because thromboses have always happened. At least that's what the clique says. Because last week AZ was still dangerous especially for thromboses in younger women, now Mateja, Bojana, and Milan added a pinch of magic dust and now AZ is safe. It's safe for Slovenes, but Danes have completely different DNA, it harms them.
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| UB7715. 04. 2021 13:56:07 |
Some of us just won't get our turn for vaccination for a while, even if we wanted to get vaccinated!
But we tell the "smart ones" that we can also happily socialize at barbecues without vaccination (of course in bubbles)! Without roasted lions!
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| VanSims15. 04. 2021 14:43:38 |
@Becar: you've gone off topic, but just a small remark: top was already bought by Kresalka. smile
Back to COVID: infection rate is according to experts around 30 percent + 6 percent vaccinated with one dose + 15% with two, which we count half = less than 45% infected. Too little to stop the spread. It helps a bit though. Eng. variant is 70% more infectious and without it we would now have a real count.
About this variant being more infectious, experts mostly agree. Is it more dangerous? Here from the beginning experts say no and just recently some studies appeared that it might be, but still prevailing opinion is that it's not.
About AZ I've already said my opinion, don't know what they're mumbling now with this Johnson. One clot per million is even much less than with Pfizer (there older people which is also more expected). I think, just don't vaccinate younger women with it, what's the big fuss now. I also have a bit of conspiracy theory that Americans are messing with us. 
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| ppegan15. 04. 2021 15:03:38 |
Parenzo and VanSims, you couldn't be more wrong or if you think vaccination will take us back to normality, you're really naive  Vaccine against Covid-19:
- does not provide immunity (did you read the article about the 100-year-old grandma who got corona last year, then got vaccinated, but got corona again despite vaccination, so the vaccine didn't protect her from reinfection, luckily grandma beat corona the second time too, but not thanks to the vaccine),
- does not prevent death,
- does not guarantee you won't get the virus,
- does not prevent transmission to others,
- does not eliminate wearing masks and social distance.
These are facts. Why vaccinate then? This is the new normality we will have to learn to live with, like we learned to live with flu, colds, viruses... I don't even talk about not knowing long-term effects of the vaccine, since it wasn't tested enough. Vaccine is safe, but not verified. That says it all to me.
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| SamoK15. 04. 2021 15:09:40 |
ppegan, no vaccine destroys the virus!
Vaccine is mainly intended to stimulate the immune system to fight the virus it otherwise doesn't know. Some vaccines are more successful at this, others less.
What you're thinking of is called MEDICINE, not vaccine. There are more or less no cures for viral diseases, that's why vaccination is recommended.
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 15:13:22 |
Well, long-term effects are not yet known, short-term ones are already known. 
VanSims, the latest study says it's not more dangerous.
LINK
I don't understand how they get to 30% infection rate, if 50% have recovered from covid without being vaccinated.
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| ppegan15. 04. 2021 15:18:47 |
SamoK even if we disregard that, everything else holds. Not to mention that all my friends and acquaintances got a mild form, I don't even know anyone who died from corona, I really don't see the point in getting vaccinated, really not. When they test the vaccine for at least 5 years and it turns out safe after that, then maybe I'll get vaccinated if it's really necessary. That's my opinion. Whoever wants to get vaccinated, let them, I don't see a problem with that either. Everyone decides for themselves what to do with their body.
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| julius15. 04. 2021 15:38:59 |
And another one of the smartest things this year. This time from PZS.
3. GUIDED MOUNTAIN TRIPS, ALPINE, CLIMBING SCHOOLS AND MOUNTAIN SCHOOLS
Guided mountain trips, tours and various professional trainings and educations can be carried out (e.g. alpine school, sport climbing school, mountain school, ...). When carrying out, the limit of 10 participants applies, who must continuously maintain 2 m distance. In case of shared transports, use of protective mask is mandatory. When planning, consider the validity of movement restriction between 21 and 6 o'clock.
Guides, alpine instructors and other professional sports workers who lead or carry out programs must test beforehand (see point 2).
Guide must do PCR test so not to infect someone.
Participants can calmly transmit infection to everyone and also to the tested guide.
He doubted that the universe is infinite, but has no doubts that human stupidity has no bounds.
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| Trobec15. 04. 2021 15:41:59 |
What is the basic problem (or should be the basic problem) - i.e. corona incidence among population, will be largely solved by vaccination rate (together of course with infection rate). But corona today unfortunately is not that "basic" problem, but increasingly political.
That vaccine largely solves the problem is also aware the authority. And therefore actually does everything (at least those at the top of authority) to delay with vaccination. Not ordering vaccine is of course not coincidence.
So the worst antivaxxer in the country at the moment is - no one else but Janša.
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| Becar15. 04. 2021 16:03:05 |
Now a video of covid intensive care department in UKC has been published. In the contribution they mention that there are currently 31 patients, interestingly I count only 9 across the whole department, with them moving the camera lightning fast, so in principle there could be dolls in the beds too. I don't get to 31 even if I count the staff. Interesting also that the only photo in the article where a human body is somewhat visible, is a symbolic one from Shutterstock
Corona department
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| dprapr15. 04. 2021 16:04:12 |
Julius, isn't this quite a similar thing as in schools? There you're against testing students. And the teacher is in a closed space with them. Here guides and instructors are in a far better position. But you'll probably find some reason for this too. Decide once what you want. 
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| Trobec15. 04. 2021 16:26:16 |
A couple of days ago I talked to a doctor who works at UKC in CIIM, so where they are now responsible for corona patients.
He said they have 35 patients in intensive care (or had on that day). Just as a note, he's one of the best intensivists in Slovenia and a strong opponent of the current regime, for which he's been targeted multiple times by the "factory of lies".
Hm...why would he then collaborate with them in falsifying numbers?
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| parenzo15. 04. 2021 17:30:00 |
Polonca, thanks for the good jokes.
No vaccine guarantees 100% population protection. A vaccine that provides 90% protection is extremely successful. Contraceptive pills also don't guarantee 100% protection against pregnancy and provenly leave severe consequences because they are based on hormones. You probably know that.
Condoms also don't protect 100% against HIV.
Regarding vaccine testing, I've already mentioned that corporations have been testing for pennies for decades - not just vaccines, but also drugs on the poor in India and Africa, and for little money on the poor (volunteers) in their own country or prisoners in exchange for various benefits.
Today they skip tests on mice and rats, so the result is known immediately. Long-term consequences don't apply to vaccines, but long-term use is in the domain of long-term taking of various medications.
So you understand better (no, not to convince you of anything), I'm giving you a comparison with a seatbelt:
-doesn't guarantee survival (if you crash head-on at 150 km/h)
-doesn't prevent death
-doesn't guarantee you won't crash
-doesn't prevent the survival of the passenger (if you crash head-on at 150 km/h)
-doesn't eliminate the requirement that you can only drive with a license and maintain a safe distance
etc.
These are facts.
LP
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| zavest15. 04. 2021 17:51:41 |
Whoever trusts alternative sources of information and FB doctors more than science still has the option to acquire antibodies the natural way. Problem solved
The devil is that along the way he non-consensually shares it with others too, since he won't go into self-isolation on his own.
The solution would be 2-3 week infection cruises, or since we're on a mountain forum, 2-3 week parties on Komna in a closed group
Has prof. dr. Becar already received a response and acknowledgment from Sledilnik that they completely blew past him with misleading about excess deaths?
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| ppegan15. 04. 2021 18:09:43 |
Parenzo, those aren't jokes, that's how it is. Even if we get vaccinated, nothing will change, since the vaccine doesn't protect against reinfection, doesn't provide immunity, masks will still be needed... All this is quite inflated, conditioned by scaring the masses (uuu terrible and highly contagious English strain turned out not so terrible and contagious), since most get over corona easier than flu. Don't forget, you can die from flu too
And my name is Polona, not Polonca, because I'm not a little girl. You're probably not Milanček anymore either, or are you?
Comparing a seatbelt to a vaccine is really something better. With the seatbelt at least we know it was tested at different speeds, so we exactly know how safe it is and what the consequences of impact are for a person at different speeds. This vaccine wasn't tested enough, in 10 months that's simply not possible, which was also publicly stated.
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