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Covid-19, Ukraine

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Becar25. 04. 2021 11:08:49
I somehow feel that this is also a conspiracy theory, just with a right-wing flavor.
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Becar25. 04. 2021 14:24:34
I'm reading that something similar is happening in India as in Brazil a while ago. When the rise in covid infections came, in an already catastrophic health system there was panic with oxygen. It reminds a bit of toilet paper and yeast with us, or March 2020 when you couldn't even get disinfectant. It's that private clinics bought up all the oxygen, which the impoverished population can't afford. So in public health oxygen ran out. And not just for covid treatment, also for other respiratory diseases. Yes, this is a catastrophe, again it's about the principle of difference between shamelessly rich minority and the common people. Now private clinics have surplus oxygen in stock, but hospitals don't. If you have money you'll live, if not, you'll die.

But the issue is still heavily inflated by the covid mafia propaganda. If we consider that India has 600x more population than Slovenia, that means: 350000 infected and 2767 dead in India is equal to 500 infected and 4 dead in Slovenia.
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julius25. 04. 2021 14:34:05
Becar
Suggest to VanSims to send SDS to India the marshal TWit, so he treats them as intensively as he did with us. And add the iron drunkard and someone else.
Success guaranteed. In a year there will be half as many Indians.
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Becar25. 04. 2021 14:35:29
Yeah, if you look not long ago, we had proportionally worse situation in Slovenia than now in India. Since there are 600x more people, it's an ideal opportunity for media vultures to film it well and sell it for big money to whom..........?
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Hribolaznik25. 04. 2021 22:23:06
Bečar, math is not your thing, right? In India they "officially report" 2806 victims today, which by no means means there are actually that many. They just officially counted that many. The situation is much worse. And if memory serves, in Slovenia we didn't cremate the dead in parking lots? Or did I miss something?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/new-delhi-mass-cremations-begin-as-india-capital/100089794
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VanSims26. 04. 2021 07:10:29
@Hribolaaznik: this article is covid mafia propaganda, you don't understand that. mežikanje

Otherwise anyway ... where do they count all those who die without care in slums, countryside, ... many aren't even diagnosed.

Among the tested there's an even bigger difference, at least 5 times, six times more of them, if there were 2 - 3 times as many here.
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Becar26. 04. 2021 07:19:26
Far from meaning there are actually that many. True. Probably 5x - 10x fewer, just like here, but all recorded as with/due to together. If 1.3 billion India can't bury 2800 people in one day, then let the rooster kick me. Wow, they burned the dead in parking lots. That's it now, like in Italy when they hauled the dead with military trucks right. Do you know what else Indians do in parking lots? And then the famous clip where people "gasp for air". In the whole clip the biggest horror is 1 person lying on the street. Then they went to an oxygen warehouse a bit to film how a normal day of oxygen transport goes, then the panic-mongers burned a couple more bodies outside there.
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Becar26. 04. 2021 08:03:36
The best is the rtvslo host's statement that the Indian variant is double mutated eek zavijanje z očmi I already know which will be the next variant here, does it seem to anyone? velik nasmeh
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jax26. 04. 2021 08:08:35
I won't talk about conspiracies, but on principle I certainly agree that one must be cautious with reports of collapse of the health system in third world countries like India. That hospitals are overcrowded, many can't get in and lack many things, is normal in many places in India. I don't claim that nothing is, but I certainly claim that just showing conditions in hospitals in these countries doesn't say much yet.
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Becar26. 04. 2021 08:25:56
And a bit more for the feel. In India nearly a million people die monthly.
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Becar27. 04. 2021 07:40:56
Covid mafia escalates propaganda and coercion to vaccination. Just as I predicted recently, exactly this happened:

Double mutated Indian variant (now called Indian virus) is in our immediate vicinity. GET VACCINATED FAST!!!!! Lock people up again, lockdown, 14 days will be crucial, raise benefits etc..... zavijanje z očmi

INDIAN VIRUS
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VanSims27. 04. 2021 09:16:50
The more it's repeated that vaccination isn't mandatory and no one forces anyone, the more some emphasize this 'fact'.

Even doubt was expressed that any vaccine even helps with the Indian variant.

But whoever sees conspiracies in everything, sees them anyway.
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Becar27. 04. 2021 09:34:34
VanSims, vaccination isn't (yet) mandatory, but unvaccinated have their human rights curtailed more and more day by day. Bigger nonsense every day. Testing for restaurants, hotels, inns, testing for salespeople, drivers, testing for border crossing (because at slo-hr border everything changes right, as if 2 different planets with different viruses). Testing for company entry etc.... That's simply called discrimination.
Why these pressures if as a nation we have herd immunity long ago?
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VanSims27. 04. 2021 09:48:26
@Becar:

Well, another lie.

I already calculated last time how many are infected and vaccinated. I got to about 45% which is already quite too little by itself.

With that, I also realized in between that I simply added both, forgot to subtract the intersection of both groups. Those who recovered (even without symptoms or didn't even know) and who are also vaccinated, would be about 5 - 10 %. Since we can't count them twice, infection and vaccination is about 35 - 40%.

With the question how long both hold, mutations, ... (those who got infected early maybe no longer infected)

But facts mean nothing to conspiracy theorists anyway, so pointless to write anything. They'll drive their thing anyway.

As I said, same as clerics, jehovahs, vegans, feminists, lgbt, ... Among them many are totally fine, non-intrusive, good colleagues, even friends just live their lives, but the loudest are usually the most extreme and intrusive. And they cast bad light on the whole group.
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Becar27. 04. 2021 12:01:45
Interesting where you got such numbers. Experts have long said we're approaching half infection rate and actual number of infected is most likely about 5 times official infections. I also have hard time finding any uninfected now, be it family, neighbors, friends or at work. Actually, children probably contribute most to total unofficial infections, infected but mostly untested.
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SamoK27. 04. 2021 12:18:15
>And you throw a bad light on the entire group.

I don't understand that. Why judge the group by individuals???
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SamoK27. 04. 2021 12:21:27
>I've already said, same as clericalists, Jehovah's, vegans, feminists, LGBT, ... Among them there are many otherwise perfectly fine, non-intrusive ones, good colleagues, even friends

In the USA it's considered a highly racist statement if a white person says they have good friends among blacks (or African Americans). Actually it's highly hypocritical and duplicitous if someone highlights those "exceptions" among otherwise unsuitable persons who are good enough to associate with.
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Becar27. 04. 2021 16:44:02
After more than a year now I personally know the first person who had to go to hospital. It's a 70 year old lady, pneumonia followed covid, now she's treating pneumonia. Still don't know any fatalities.
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zokipoki27. 04. 2021 17:07:23
Becar, are you at the protests?
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Becar27. 04. 2021 17:12:32
No. My protest will be expressed at the elections.
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