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| Becar22. 04. 2021 18:47:09 |
Functional illiteracy made you.
For the USA I made my own calculation for you. A few numbers, and you can't follow anymore?
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| Becar22. 04. 2021 18:55:25 |
What about this, for Germany? February, March, April 2021, all the time lower mortality than in the same period 2020? Impossible, miracle, functional illiteracy, Dunning-Kruger effect, what else?
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| zavest22. 04. 2021 18:57:52 |
Maybe you know how to calculate, but you don't know how to (find) reliable information and accurate data. Then the calculation isn't worth half a... 
You've proven and confirmed that several times now, so without the cited source and link, your claims are considered dubious. Fake news, as they say.
A couple of interesting facts from CDC page for USA:
In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States (Table). The age-adjusted rate was 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population, an increase of 15.9% from 715.2 in 2019. The highest overall numbers of deaths occurred during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, (78,917) and December 26, 2020 (80,656) (Figure 1). [go look again at the numbers you cited yesterday and were shocked about>
And in the conclusion:
This report provides an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020. Provisional death estimates can give researchers and policymakers an early indication of shifts in mortality trends and provide actionable information sooner than the final mortality data that are released approximately 11 months after the end of the data year.
Source:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm
I hope I don't need to explain the term provisional to you? 
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| zavest22. 04. 2021 19:07:38 |
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| Becar22. 04. 2021 19:08:02 |
With these figures for the USA, something unfortunately doesn't match. If I take your CDC data 3,358,815 deaths in 2020 and CDC data 2,851,438 deaths up to 19.12.2020, that means 507,377 people died in the last 12 days of December, which is very interesting. That's as many as died in 2 months together before. In the last 12 days of the year there were then 15.1% deaths, although the share of days in the year is 3.2%. If you believe in Santa Claus.
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| Becar22. 04. 2021 19:14:19 |
Germany. Here's one more for you, then I won't bother with you anymore, because I think you're joking or a person can't be that dense.
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| andi222. 04. 2021 19:15:38 |
Not from the CDC side, please. Now we're dealing with Germany again, which is also trying every way to mislead our professor so let's give AI time, because it'll rather walk to America and Germany to make a rough population estimate. Counting and calculating with a calculator on site is much more reliable in my opinion than trusting an internet note that it's data projections. Maybe you stuck them on like dolls on beds. Ultimately it didn't acknowledge US election projections for a moment...
P. S. Your CDC data P. S. And our AI is good when it teaches us what a good scientist looks like to its taste (itself) - 99% nonsense, one percent about the dear neighbor (thematically)
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| Becar22. 04. 2021 19:18:02 |
You're just the second one I won't reply to anymore. You have too much drivel, 99% you talk nonsense 1% on topic. Waste of time.
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| andi222. 04. 2021 19:24:27 |
Our Becar gets really mad when he has no more options to support his shaky conspiracy theories. I like that. Even our bosses sometimes switch to the level - maybe you're right, but if you don't obey what I say, you'll be fired
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| zavest22. 04. 2021 19:39:44 |
Yeah, God forbid having such a colleague, let alone a superior like Dr. Becar. You can stick him the table from "his" link, where a first-grade kid can distinguish minus and plus, but he'll stick to his guns that it's *lower mortality the whole time*.
About the infamous number "2851438" let's read also:
When it comes to 2020, the year isn't over, making it near impossible to make accurate year-to-year comparisons yet. On the CDC's COVID-19 Death and Data resources page, the CDC reports 2,851,438 deaths of all causes and 291,757 COVID-19 related deaths, as of Dec. 19.
VIR
Even in the title it says:
Fact check: 2020 has been more deadly in the US compared with recent years
And no, that won't be covid, it'll be suicides and everything else, just not covid 
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| pantani123. 04. 2021 07:15:32 |
Here's what I'll say. I've been following the debate for a while and something isn't quite clear to me. Bečar just believes what he believes, but I don't understand all the anti-Bečars constantly spitting on him while showing him various "real" data
which you claim is the truth. And now the question, how do the anti-Bečars differ from Bečar. Because basically they are right, and the rest of us are blind and dense?!
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| andi223. 04. 2021 07:30:29 |
If I speak just for myself. Because I like to joke and can take a joke about myself, especially if it's true (a page back from you pantani1 - really good observation about me). But one can browse dozens of pages back to see how a person with deeply rooted complexes about their own value, rightness and smartness reacts. I won't list and repeat, everyone can read and decide for themselves.
So I'll rather give a challenge to Becar - here, if you can once publicly laugh at yourself on this forum for your ignorance, I'll stop teasing you. I'll go first - my replies, the level of debate in the last ten pages and directing all energy and attention to one single user surely show that I'm a person with not too high intellect level and education
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| dprapr23. 04. 2021 07:43:51 |
So now all of us who don't agree with becar and some others, along with liars, stubborn unbelievers, have become anti-becars too.
What's next, will you demand they delete us from the forum because we have "anti-becar" opinion?
How do we differ from him? In this thread? In nothing. We bullshit up there just like him.
I'd even say that we mostly respond to his, to use pantani1's term, "real" data.
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| Becar23. 04. 2021 08:21:31 |
I'd like to thank the support I got from you (some like-minded) in private messages. Basically you all say more or less the same. It's not worth replying to primitives and proven liars (done!).
But you also pointed out a very interesting thing, which is that because of the mentioned primitives, even though you agree with me, you don't dare write anything, because you'll immediately be the target of insults and teasing. Unfortunately, that's how it goes in the wider society too. When for example some doctor, scientist, Nobel epidemiologist, or one of the most recognized lawyers, or former head of scientists for respiratory diseases exposes himself, such ones attack him immediately like rabid dogs. That he's gone mad etc....
Becar will continue posting useful information, because the mentioned didn't affect him. Just with the difference that he won't reply to primitive comments anymore. That's called healthy selection.
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| milesdavis23. 04. 2021 09:08:37 |
Everything is getting more relaxed, so a warning won't hurt.
dr. Federico V. Potočnik
22.04.2021
For all those rejoicing at the opening of terraces and cafes: ICUs are all full. On wards we have patients on max oxygen, they need ICU and we're looking for beds all over Slovenia.
Take care of yourselves and don't forget the basics: mask, distance, hand and cough hygiene!
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| Lisica23. 04. 2021 10:56:56 |
Just for consideration to those who plan to get vaccinated, my mom was vaccinated recently 2x in DU against Covid (Pfizer) and now she's in intensive care at UKC, blood clot, and before she had no major health issues. 
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| michael6623. 04. 2021 13:43:34 |
My last experience with covid. As I wrote months ago, as a postman I'm in contact with covid every day (contact with dozens of handles, letters, packages, customers). Now my wife was positive and I was also in 10-day quarantine with her in the apartment. Same kitchen, same wc, same table for meals, same air... So first day on test, as last day (pcr test) I was negative.
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| zavest23. 04. 2021 13:43:44 |
The most fervently inaccurate numbers were advocated by Dr. Becar himself. It's problematic because he cites inaccurate and outdated data, even projections for the future, while we still wait for official data e.g. from SURS.
According to Becar and his phantom supporters, there's nothing wrong with this sentence for example:
According to forecasts from 2019, we had xxx excess deaths in 2020 or yyy mortality rate
I'm glad Dr. Becar no longer responds to proven liars, so he's finally stopped talking to himself Because reading about half the values from the table wrong is a special "achievement". With such brilliant reasoning and evaluation of simple numerical data, the credibility of Becar's other claims is accordingly...
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| julius23. 04. 2021 13:46:29 |
milesdavis
You cite dr. Federica V. Potočnik from 22.04.2021.
Since I want to find out who's pulling our strings, I'd love to clarify the following.
Slovenia has 15 hospitals.
Covid patients in hospitals today: 629. That's about 42 patients per hospital.
In intensive care there are 159 patients, which means
a bit less than 16 patients per hospital.
And if you subtract these 16 from 42, the situation is actually:
16 patients need intensive care
26 patients do not
UKC Ljubljana has 2138 beds for patients.
All Slovenian hospitals together more than 9200. But they cry that they're already over the edge .. and that they are ..
What doesn't hold water here now?
I'll probably get interesting explanations.
Take care.
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| pantani123. 04. 2021 13:56:30 |
Zavest will explain everything to you . And nice weekend to all hikers.
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