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| SamoK20. 04. 2021 17:42:13 |
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| Becar20. 04. 2021 17:57:17 |
The first two links talk about the USA, which I think do not belong to Europe. We're not going to focus on one country, right? And that one with the worst statistics. What if I chose China? The third link doesn't talk about mortality, but about deaths from infectious diseases, where it's clearly written that they count deaths WITH covid and not BECAUSE OF covid. The fourth link talks about the USA again. You know, it's not enough to type something into Google and paste it, you have to read it too. Just advice.
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| Becar20. 04. 2021 18:00:21 |
Well now since you've challenged me, because I really haven't looked at the USA until now, look at the tab you have individual states within the USA. You'll quickly find that most of them have the same mortality in 2020 as in 2018. And again selected period last 3 years. Bravo, very reliable. You know, if they plotted some red dots there for 2020, that doesn't mean it's bad. You have to look at the amplitude.
Look at this mortality graph per population from knoema.com. You can see that in the USA mortality has been rising since around 2011, with the increase being greater in 2019 than in 2020. Such a low death increase hasn't been since 2014!
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| andi221. 04. 2021 06:29:14 |
Maybe "playing" is still a harsh term Primož. Everyone tries at least a little, and at the same time chases that feeling of superiority you have when you make decrees for others. We've all been in a similar situation, if not elsewhere, then at home.
Another part for the non B-CAR AI part of the forum. Once you're that far, you usually don't study the literature. You follow guidelines set by the EU and at the same time try to add a pinch of domestic flavor. For that little bit, politics can have an impact. A partial solution would be to include at least ten people from the younger population. And those kinds who aren't sick for social attention. Not in terms of intelligence and experience, but in terms of unburdenedness and greater possibility of quick adaptation to daily situations and greater openness to reading literature that comes out daily in hundreds of professional articles that one person can't follow from afar.
And one more anyway for our professor, if he even reads and understands it - isn't it interesting that we are aware of all these shortcomings of the situation (yesterday and today I cited only a tiny insight, just enough to feel it), but still don't make fun of sensible common-sense measures and don't downplay the virus danger to the banality of a cold? Maybe we even know someone who died from the virus
let's stay healthy and patient ! Regards
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 06:40:31 |
And the debate continues in the style: graphs around the world don't show unexpected increase in mortality / population, but I continue dreaming of the pandemic because I get supplements in my salary.
I also unblocked primoza a while ago to see his dreams. Interesting comparison with the sandbox, I agree. Except he doesn't realize, we're the toys.
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| andi221. 04. 2021 06:50:05 |
Congratulations professor, excellent intellectual thinking! Keep it up like that
p.s. you really spend a lot of time on this site, as others mention too. How do you manage the rest of your work when you're not on duty for our replies? Some of you are really kings, a real Napoleon complex
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| pantani121. 04. 2021 07:18:00 |
andi2, you're also one of those who are on duty for replies, since you respond very quickly to every Bečar comment  Otherwise a little laughter doesn't hurt, right 
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| korl21. 04. 2021 08:26:09 |
You are really fu*ks. You've usurped this page so much that bučko1 doesn't even get to express himself anymore
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| ppegan21. 04. 2021 10:32:11 |
Hahahaha, korl, good and true
Today I stumbled upon the website of the Initiative of Slovenian Doctors (ISZ), where in one of the articles various experts respond to concerns about vaccines. Among others ISZ says: "Distrust or doubt in 'vaccines' is justified, as we don't have enough data on safety, long-term effects and consequences. And also: Vaccine development is a complex and lengthy process that takes on average 10-15 years. Despite successful collaboration of many scientists, knowledge of the virus or similar viruses, shortening administrative procedures and unlimited financial resources, the period of several years needed for careful monitoring and detection of (late) adverse effects cannot be shortened to a few months. Many studies will be completed only in 2022 or even 2023." Exactly what I've been saying from the very beginning. I recommend reading, especially to those who blindly trust new vaccines.
Their website has more similar articles, including on priority vaccination of graduates and its senselessness, and also on the senselessness of mandatory mask-wearing in schools (blasphemous, I know ). I recommend that too. I just hope it's credible enough for all the professionally savvy commentators on this portal
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| redbull21. 04. 2021 10:33:14 |
Another one from our real world:
Yesterday mother-in-law got AstraZeneca (administration got vaccinated). Yesterday she boasted how everything is ok, last night it started. Everyone is on sick leave. She shook all night, 39 fever. Her words are: If I had known I would never have gotten vaccinated, because it wasn't necessary, just had the opportunity.
My thought is: Next week she'll be positive and corona is here, I guarantee. Which means I can socialize to get a certificate for enjoyment on the Croatian coast
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| dprapr21. 04. 2021 10:38:03 |
Korl, as far as I see, it's an open competition for bučkota1.
Nothing decided yet, lots of candidates. For a whole basket. 
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 12:36:02 |
Well as I predicted. Dad after about 5-6 days no more coughing, he's already good. Mom with a bit of delay in infection still coughs a little, but improved. Today she told me there's no alternative, she'll get vaccinated sometime later too. Now she has her own experience besides all others and why burden oneself if not necessary. Dad is still a bit undecided about vaccination, because he has some traits of coronaphiles from this forum. He thinks only he has such luck, in hospitals they throw people in heaps. Me (devil) ebola didn't stick again.
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| zavest21. 04. 2021 18:59:16 |
@Becar, if you delved into graphs and sources as deeply as into your GILF neighbors, you'd quickly notice that the data on your favorite site is from 2019
https://knoema.com/UNWPP2019/world-population-prospects-2019 - check Slovenia and crude death rate.
No data for 2020 yet, you can find them only in the central population register, Statistical Office of RS hasn't published them yet.
Since you're so top-notch in math and statistics, you'll calculate the 2019 vs 2020 differences for fun ... unless now there's a new conspiracy theory that the data isn't there yet because they're still adjusting and faking them anyway?
Read also: https://medium.com/sledilnik/prese%C5%BEna-smrtnost-v-letu-2020-99840508e337
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 19:06:35 |
Zavest, now you've surely shouted Eureka! Unfortunately, I have to tell you that you're wrong. For Slovenia indeed there are no real data yet, but I've already said that Slovenian statistics is too insignificant for me to assess the reality of the pandemic. That's why I deliberately posted data on the largest countries. If you don't believe knoema has the right data, type into google for example my yesterday's example USA. Write "crude death rate usa" and tell me what you found right at the top. Then compare that with my yesterday's graph
Look, here's another link so you can read in detail what the recorded mortality in 2020 was:
US crude death rate
And let's save this display, because when the covid mafia spots this curve, it will suddenly be different or the site will suddenly be unavailable
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| zavest21. 04. 2021 20:12:38 |
Dr. Becar, I'm writing slowly because I know you read slowly too:
- open your link, doesn't matter USA or SLO
- locate the blue button with white text "Explore Data" and click it
- what do you get?
As I say, keep delving into GILF-ices, there you penetrate deeper than here
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| andi221. 04. 2021 20:13:27 |
...but I've already said that Slovenian statistics is too insignificant for me to assess the reality of the pandemic... Now if I may and the voting is already open, I'd cast my vote. For bob of the year I think
p.s. finally a person who realized that Slovenia is not the center of the world. But it's obviously the only country so stupid that it decided on its own initiative to declare a pandemic. Elsewhere they didn't introduce that term. We're brave Slovenians, no doubt!
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 20:34:23 |
Zavest, you stay on my link and read the text there, pay attention to the tense of the verbs. What do you get? Did you type into google what I wrote to you? What do you get?
Andi2, we didn't invent the epidemic, but we're obviously now the most fu.... with postponing necessary checkups and operations.
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