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| zavest21. 04. 2021 20:40:36 |
Dr. Becar, if there are problems with reading comprehension, let me help with a picture.
Is it clear enough that for death graphs in 2020 they use a source from 2019, so it's an old projection? It also says when the data will be updated.
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 20:55:13 |
This is what it says on your link, on mine it says that the mortality in 2020 WAS 8.95/1000 inhabitants.
Well, let's look at another source (CDC).
On the CDC's COVID-19 Death and Data resources page, the CDC reports 2,851,438 deaths of all causes and 291,757 COVID-19 related deaths, as of Dec. 19.
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So, on Dec. 19, 2020, 2,851,438 people died in the USA according to CDC. Population in 2020 was 331,000,000. If the year ended then, mortality would be: 8.61.
Now let's calculate how many people would have to die in those 11 days to reach 8.95. (8.95 - 8.61) * 331000000 / 1000 = 112540
So, you claim it's realistic that more than 112,540 people died in the USA in the last 11 days? Well, let's get to the final solution with our own calculation.
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| andi221. 04. 2021 21:04:06 |
I'm offering apples, no, pears, no, strawberries, well, whatever comes to my mind at that moment as the right and only option for me your one and only pardon, also a link with the only real info - please read it, because otherwise you won't know what the text is about. I read it and can therefore tell you that it's really important to read it for understanding it
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 21:17:11 |
Yeah I don't know what else you can offer a hardcore coronaphile than a calculation based on existing data... But obviously it won't be enough, probably even CDC said it as some projection from 2019 that so many people died by 19.12.2020
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| zavest21. 04. 2021 21:20:01 |
Dr. Becar, you have serious problems with selective reading comprehension. Look closely at the Knoema link, what it says - bold text.
Will you manage to add 1+1 and realize that this is automated text based on *projections* from 2019?
Don't drag in other sources now if you can't fully understand this one 
And since you mention CDC, damn, they too are conspirators around excess deaths:
In mid-October, the CDC released analysis of death figures between Jan. 26 and Oct. 3, and revealed there had been an estimated 299,028 excess deaths in 2020 by this time ( here , datawrapper.dwcdn.net/LWq2f/6/ ).
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 21:32:00 |
And what does the bold text say in contrast to my claims?  First knoema isn't okay, now cdc data isn't okay, my calculation isn't okay... Then ask Janez, so I know which data to take.
Now I see that top international lawyer Reiner Fuellmich was right, that you can't convince a believer in vaccination and that we just have to leave you like this, because you're lost, no hope for you anymore. Roughly like Kate let go of Leonardo's hand on that board
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| zavest21. 04. 2021 21:41:15 |
Look, last time I mentioned to you that I can explain it to you, but I can't get it for you
If you don't understand or don't want to understand that the "data" on Knoema for 2020 are one-year-old projections from 2019, then really only God Janez can help you
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 21:42:44 |
Mr. zavest, do you allow me to calculate then with CDC data, which as you say are connected to covid mafia, meaning they would rather burden my claims, or I can't do that either?
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| zavest21. 04. 2021 22:10:48 |
With careful reading, which you've proven several times so far doesn't suit you at all, you'll notice that some of us are mainly interested in whether the information or data are accurate. And Knoema doesn't have them in this case, so I suggest you find a more reliable or accurate source.
Covid mafia and all that crap are dragged into the debate by others. But I believe it's easier for you to explain the situation that way
Say Reiner Fuellmich, another eminence! Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, who questions the existence of COVID-19 pandemic and PCR tests as the means to diagnose COVID-19, and plans to file a lawsuit in court. His lawsuit has not reached any court so far. https://www.poynter.org/?ifcn_misinformation=corona-fraud-has-been-uncovered-and-its-organizers-will-now-face-an-international-tribunal
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| Hribolaznik21. 04. 2021 22:28:12 |
New daily record in India: 315 thousand positive tests and 2102 dead.
In Czechia and Portugal the situation has completely calmed down.
Our southern neighbors are still raging:
Croatia 49 dead, Macedonia 47 dead, Bosnia 57 dead...
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| Hribolaznik21. 04. 2021 22:33:57 |
Hmm, given the situation in India, since they don't even have a system to count or care for the sick and dead anyway, it'll be interesting to see in a while how the human population growth stopped or even decreased in the period from early 2020 to end of 2021...
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| Hribolaznik21. 04. 2021 22:37:38 |
Ah, I'll answer myself. Normal population growth in the last few years is about 81 million per year or 1.1% increase.
In 2020 the growth fell to 1.05%.
Population in the world is currently (2020) growing at a rate of around 1.05% per year (down from 1.08% in 2019, 1.10% in 2018, and 1.12% in 2017). The current average population increase is estimated at 81 million people per year.
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| Hribolaznik21. 04. 2021 22:38:48 |
Some stronger virus will have to come to cut those 81 million...
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 22:44:23 |
Zavest, Dr. Reiner Fuellmich is a world-renowned lawyer with references from won lawsuits on corruption in Deutsche Bank, Volkswagen emissions fraud etc... I don't know, if he's not enough for you, maybe only Matoz surpasses him.
Regarding knoema I told you, the number 8.95 is completely realistic, I also showed you the calculation via a source with other data, but I expected nothing would be okay for you. Let it stay like that, you're a lost case, waste of time for you.
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| Becar21. 04. 2021 22:49:42 |
Here hribolaznik, congratulations. One of the few who dares to think a bit outside the box. Population growth has been falling since 2017 by about 0.02%. Last year by 0.03%. So last year there was a change of 0.01%, which is a factor of 0.0001. For believers this data will be useless again.
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| andi222. 04. 2021 06:49:44 |
I went to the optometrist the other day, and he told me I have some new diopters. I explained to him that diopter is just a normogram compiled based on examination and statistical analysis of the vision of millions of people, and given the experiences of my wife, elderly neighbor, father and mother, it unfortunately doesn't convince me. In the end, I sold him a magnifying glass for reading, which in my opinion he urgently needed
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| gorolazka22. 04. 2021 08:14:03 |
End of Friday PCR tests, regional borders are open. Primoza's nose won't hurt anymore.
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| zavest22. 04. 2021 16:03:10 |
Dr. Becar, no one disputed the lawyer's legal competence, but he's again one of those from your iron repertoire who are deniers or malicious skeptics of the epidemic. Maybe he should stick primarily to law, and leave epidemiology and covid diagnosis to scientists and medical doctors?
You're dragging in our ruling politics again, which as said has nothing to do with this case, except that it exploits the crisis for its own interests in many respects. We already said that too, maybe it escaped your selective memory
The devil is, you only choose sources that confirm your existing beliefs: that the p(l)andemic is anyway a big scam. Try to dare think a bit outside the box, as someone wrote above, before you label others as believers For example, just as an example of how hard it is (was?) for you to accept that you're operating with old and inaccurate data or projections - who is the believer here then?
I suggest you wait for updated data on the absolute number of deaths for 2020 and then report back with new calculations.
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| Becar22. 04. 2021 17:04:12 |
"Maybe he should stick primarily to law, and leave epidemiology and covid diagnosis to scientists and medical doctors?" That's exactly what he did. His group consists of medical doctors, scientists and lawyers. Maybe he forgot to invite you too.
Knoema: I still claim that the data on my link for the USA is accurate, or at least approximately accurate, because I arrived at a similar figure by calculating data from CDC. Nowhere does it say it's a projection. All pages that have projections clearly state that. What you have in the link is a subpage where it says 2019 at the top. What if they forgot to change it? Of course that's impossible for you, but for me it's impossible to display data with projection without it being strictly stated. If it were true, it's a big sloppiness, but as said the number matches what I calculated from CDC. Why would someone write on the main page (regardless of whether it's an automatic process or not), mortality in the USA in 2020 was this and that. And by what logic would it be a projection, who makes a projection just for one year? All pages I followed make projections for multiple years, usually even to 2050.
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| zavest22. 04. 2021 18:12:10 |
You made up a whole paragraph, instead of simply clicking on the data source that hides so hypocritically under the "Explore data" button.
And then looked around a bit, what that page is and what UN WPP 2019 is, which is the source of this data *for 2020*.
At this point I no longer know if you're actually that incapable or functionally illiterate, or just pretending. Actually everything is clearly written: from data source, year, to "population estimates and projections".
Anyway, Lunatixz hit the nail on the head with the observation about the Dunning-Kruger effect
p.s. I had to unfortunately decline the lawyer's invitation, I gave my spot to Doctor Potrč, one of the leading experts on covid and epidemiology
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