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| zokipoki28. 04. 2021 18:50:40 |
Tito would lock up the whole country just right and everyone would work as if ordered. They would say it's right, although some would think differently, guaranteed, Chinese system. That's real reign of terror and the former Yugoslavia knows it all too well. 
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| Becar28. 04. 2021 21:02:01 |
Proof of how they restricted us like livestock completely without reason and thereby violated human rights:
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| lino28. 04. 2021 21:24:44 |
Becar, what do you, as an educated person, think about the Indian version of Corona? Is it really as scary as it's portrayed or ...? 
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| zavest28. 04. 2021 21:37:44 |
Jax, if "like sheep in a pen" means they can travel all over the country and go to Australia without quarantine ... then I'm thinking I'd become that sheep myself 
You claim no country has lifted the lockdown at all - don't Becar too much and maybe look again at how strictly they were locked down in NZ or Australia and how it is now.
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| julius28. 04. 2021 23:16:39 |
zokipoki!!!!
Yeah what did former Yugo personally do to you? Did you study for free with a good scholarship in vain? Or did a different law apply to you regarding passports and traveling the world?
In 1966 as a 15 year old kid I had my own passport, even though we lived behind the "iron curtain" as Melanie and Kolinda blabbered.
The only "iron curtain" I experienced was at the border between Hungary and Yugo. To Trieste we kids went by bus for jeans.
Oh yeah, we were a completely ordinary working class family. My dad died due to a gross doctor's mistake.
Despite all blows of fate I wasn't bad off.
I have really nice memories of school lunches, 3 week sea colonies, skiing during winter holidays, free education and we all got jobs too.
How is it today??
The constitution says we are a social state!!!
Ha, ha, ha.!
Everywhere begging for all kinds of sponsorships, help for families, children, sick etc. All political vampires of all colors grabbed wealth that makes your head spin. Factories, banks, almost everything they bankrupted for appropriate bribes and then sold to foreigners for peanuts + bribe.
Ask volunteers at mountaineering societies a bit how easily mountain huts were built, renovated and maintained in those "bad" times. Comparison between then and now is like night and day. "evil party functionaries" arranged everything needed over coffee for funding mountain infrastructure (huts, trails, roads)
Boys!
When you spout nonsense before every written letter think if you can justify it and prove the correctness of what's written.
And warm greetings to all.
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| Becar29. 04. 2021 08:07:22 |
Julius, excellent realistic comment. I'd add that next time we drive the child to school, kindergarten, visit hospital, health center, go to administrative unit, cultural center, library, go to work in some big factory, let's check when it was built. Then ask ourselves what of that was built in independent Slovenia. Same goes for apartments, blocks, skyscrapers, houses, roads. How many were built before and how many now.
Lino, Indian double-mutated strain and double-mutated covid mafia we dealt with a while ago. Dig a bit back
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| zokipoki29. 04. 2021 08:59:19 |
Julius exactly as you wrote, but don't forget that the system held you by the collar, that's what I wanted to say, nothing else and if the current situation was back then, it would be different. The system limited you, but you weren't aware of it because you grew up in it, were raised in it. In dictatorship. You can console yourself as much as you want. I'm younger and didn't experience Yugo like you, so different view, but definitely not nonsense.
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| Becar29. 04. 2021 09:11:19 |
I'm also quite a bit younger than Julius, but I have no bad memories of childhood in Yugoslavia. We lacked nothing, we were happy. If I think back, I wouldn't trade childhood for anything. The only bad memory is the rise of nationalism and war, some remnants of that are obviously still present now. But already during the war it showed what the set course would be. The insiders didn't have to go "shooting". I know well what the draft was like in our area.
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| VanSims29. 04. 2021 09:19:59 |
Yes, in former Yugo there was about 25-year period of relative prosperity (compared to other socialist countries and also other YU republics, since we lagged behind the West), despite the system 'I work or not, salary is the same'.
We feel the consequences still today and we're paying for it, more or less at least two generations will feel it. And your Kučko nicely said that it will get better only for our grandchildren. One of the few who soberly assessed the situation back then, unlike, yes especially the right ones, who promised Switzerland in some 10 years (Pučnik) or that we could be Germany in a couple years (Jelinčič).
Even worse are the mental consequences, destroyed value system, Balkan way of thinking, maladjustment to some healthy society,... that will affect quite a few generations before it gets better.
And we can say that only in Slovenia, which got through somehow the best. Ask someone from former Eastern bloc countries, there is much less nostalgia for the old regime. Not only were they economically and socially less successful, but it was a real left dictatorship where you could disappear quickly if you said something wrong. It was like that in Yu up to around the 60s.
Yes, the red passport opened doors many places, but in those mentioned Eastern countries they had for 45 years roughly the same border crossing regime as we had a couple months last spring and now from October last year on. And we complain somehow...
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| Becar29. 04. 2021 09:31:47 |
"We feel the consequences still today and we're paying for it, more or less at least two generations will feel it."
VanSims, you can without doubt write that claim for the time of independent Slovenia. They stole everything, almost nothing was built. Exactly as Kramberger predicted. How many new factories do we have to show? How many new residential blocks? How many new hospitals? Schools? Nothing is and nothing will be for more generations, as you wrote.
The biggest difference between both borrowings is that back then everything was built on that account, now we borrow so that the rotten capitalist and political mafia fills their pockets.
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| djimuzl29. 04. 2021 09:51:40 |
What used to be the party is today a capitalist, predatory "elite" - to which people from all political sides belong, to be clear.
But this one - unlike the deceased party - doesn't care at all about social and health security of the population, since in these social segments there are still enough opportunities for plundering public/state capital and consequently filling Cypriot, Caribbean and other overseas accounts.. If I caricature a bit - water from spa pools flows into pools of private villas.
If we don't end this, nothing will be left for our grandchildren, just 100 kinds of fruit yogurts.
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| VanSims29. 04. 2021 17:21:47 |
@Becar, djimuzl: if after the war we had remained a normal Western, democratic, capitalist society, none of this would exist today.
Yes, there would be dirty tricks, but somewhere in the average of those in Western countries.
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| Becar29. 04. 2021 18:25:08 |
Since 24kur persistently plays a 15-day old recording from covid intensive care, I looked at the video a bit better. Found an interesting similarity of one patient with UKC puppet from some other recording. Look at what a hole the patient has on the ribs. Like someone shot him. His neighbor has no head, or someone covered it over the head??? Why would someone do that? The recording is made so fast, like Speedy Gonzales made it, so it's quite hard to catch the right frame. Again why did they deliberately speed up the video speed so much?
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| djimuzl29. 04. 2021 18:56:35 |
@VanSims The collapse of the former state was planned from outside and not by mutual agreement of the former YU republics, that's why the plundering of social goods in the current states is so chaotic.
If at the beginning the "red directors" were "in action", today the third generation of plunderers is at work, a good example is the "tax" advisor to the prime minister.
As long as people don't realize that the left/right division is just an illusion for the purpose of enabling the grabbing of social property and limiting legally defined citizens' rights for that purpose, it won't end.
As some wise man once aptly put it - you don't have to be blind to see through it.
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| zavest29. 04. 2021 21:58:02 |
How critical the situation in India is shown by the fact that no one from Microsoft has called me this week yet to warn me about the virus on my computer.
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| VanSims30. 04. 2021 08:06:11 |
@Becar: that televisions (especially monopolistic ones like POP and RTV) play the same clip a million times isn't anything new here. Just another indicator of the monopolization of the information-journalistic space. They don't have to bother anyway.
I don't watch POP, but on RTV about a month ago in reports on measures, when talking about closing and opening schools, they kept playing the same clip of kids exercising, running and playing on the playground of one of the more rural schools. I, who don't have kids in school and didn't follow such news much, saw it at least five times. Those who do have kids probably saw it 10-20 times at least. eek
As for that 'hole' in the first clip, I'd rather say it's some diode or connector from an EKG or similar device.
@djimuzl: things aren't that simple. Conspiracy theory often (not always) means looking for a simple explanation for something.
I'm not saying Yugoslavia wasn't, with its foreign policy, a thorn in many's side, but the main factor was the collapse of the economic system, which was basically not set up that badly, but had the flaw of not having built-in mechanisms of resilience to international crises.
The first was in the seventies (oil crisis), the second at the beginning of the eighties (second oil crisis), which finally sank us. Instead of tightening a bit and tightening belts in the seventies, we got most indebted and enjoyed the most right then. In the early eighties, the economy was no longer able to service the state debt ... the rest is history ...
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| Becar30. 04. 2021 08:19:29 |
To get a rough idea of what's happening in India, better listen to testimonies from people living there. The government closed shops due to covid panic. Temperatures reach up to 50°C, and people are left without food, water and medicine. Due to lack of basic necessities, currently 200,000 people die per day!
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| zavest30. 04. 2021 09:17:19 |
Let's have some more on excess deaths in Slovenia: In the last quarter of 2020, according to provisional data, 4480 people were born, 8431 died. The number of births was 4.7 percent lower, the number of deaths 64.8 percent higher than in the same period in 2019, they added.
@Becar, don't those numbers seem a bit high for almost 65% increase in suicides?
Source
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| Hribolaznik30. 04. 2021 09:36:20 |
Leave Becar alone... He will say that 4200 people died from traffic accidents and stress...
Or maybe aliens abducted them?
Maybe the flu took them? Their appendix burst, or maybe an ankle sprain in combination with a mosquito bite? Who knows...
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| Becar30. 04. 2021 09:39:35 |
Zavest, as long as you talk normally, no problem, with nonsense (like what Hribolaznik writes  ) I end the debate right away. The increase in suicides definitely happened, we'll see how much, but that's not the main impact. I suspect delay in necessary health checks and interventions. We all know how it was already with phone reminders, not to mention urgent surgical procedures. As I said, 3 hospitals I was in last year were completely empty, never before. Think about what that causes. I can give you an example of a neighbor who had covid. It was the penultimate day of her quarantine when she called the doctor because of heart arrhythmia. He told her if she goes right away, he has to put her on covid ward, which she resisted. Then there was the weekend in between, I don't know how it turned out. As for low birth rate, I think no need to say extra. It was already low before, now due to covid panic it dropped even more, which was expected. Well, covid mafia nicely takes care of high mortality and low birth rate.
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