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| SamoK10. 05. 2021 19:25:22 |
Yeah, right, obviously you're not convinced enough and need to find support in others too.
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| VanSims10. 05. 2021 19:32:54 |
@Becar, I don't give a K about graphs. In one year about 40 times more people died than usually in traffic accidents in the same period, who otherwise wouldn't have died if there was no virus. 
Unless of course these are fake numbers from covid mafia ...  
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| zavest10. 05. 2021 19:38:40 |
Damn Becar, you've fallen on basics again. 
Read the disclaimer from the Statista page you linked:
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Hinweise und Anmerkungen
Daten ab dem 1. Januar 2020 sind vorläufig – hierbei handelt es sich um eine reine Fallzahlauszählung der eingegangenen Sterbefallmeldungen aus den Standesämtern – ohne die übliche statistische Aufbereitung. Die Daten wurden nicht plausibilisiert und es wurde keine Vollständigkeitskontrolle durchgeführt. Zudem liegt nur ein begrenzter Merkmalsumfang vor (Rohdaten). Die Auswertung für das Jahr 2019 basiert auf den endgültigen plausibilisierten Daten dieser Berichtsjahre.
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Machine translation to Slovenian:
Data from January 1, 2020 are provisional - it's just counting cases of number of deaths received from registry offices - without usual statistical processing. The data were not checked for plausibility and no completeness check was performed. In addition, only a limited feature scope is available (raw data). Evaluation for 2019 based on final plausibilized data from these reporting years.
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I expect I don't need to explain again and paste pics where this disclaimer was found and what it means? Or explain why death data not available yet? Hint: look when and why these data are published, the thing with delayed publications is in 2021 no different than all previous years...
Anyway, it's crystal clear without doubt that you take incomplete projections as basis (again) and draw wrong conclusions on that. Even the projections or incomplete data show a concrete 30% jump in deaths in Germany Dec 2020 and Jan 2021, what do you think that was? Covid mafia, suicides, a third more acute deaths due to impaired health system functioning?
Given that you can't even operate with numbers, all your other statements about vaccine safety, side effects etc. must be taken with a huge dose of reserve. Interpretation of this data is much more demanding than just reading numbers, now you know why some prefer to leave this work to professionals (scientists and experts).
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| Becar10. 05. 2021 19:50:05 |
Of course it's data from registry offices, where else, from village inns? Colleague, we're almost mid-2021, and you think what, that they're still dying for 2020? Or waiting for pharma to bless the data?
Funny, hope you're not really thinking that way and it's just a joke Sadly you have no clue about math, statistics and logic.
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| Becar10. 05. 2021 20:03:17 |
I knew my post would shock some, but that it would be like this, when graphs no longer interest you, I didn't think Just get used to it, the further we step into 2021, the more shocked you'll be. I understand, if someone is firmly convinced of something, then everything starts collapsing for them.... surely not pleasant.
And VanSims, have you gotten vaccinated already so you won't die like me?
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| zavest10. 05. 2021 20:27:29 |
You said it all with this sentence: I understand, if a person is firmly convinced of something, then everything starts collapsing for them.... surely not pleasant.
Damn, it's hard to admit that you've already twice taken incomplete data as the basis for a doctoral dissertation  It doesn't help you at all, no matter how brilliant a mathematician, statistician and logician you are, if you operate with wrong input data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out
Tell us also where you got the source for Germany's population number and we'll tell you it's again a projection from 2019
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| Becar10. 05. 2021 20:50:24 |
Yes, 2021 will be for you zavest a year of new insights, a year of disappointments and a year when you can pour yourself pure wine. I'll help you a bit with that.
I can't help it, but when I see some panic-monger by the roadside with a mask, and no one around for a kilometer, I always think of you, Zavest. And I'll keep that memory of you from this forum. We'll move on, I can't wait for new revelations
P.S.: let me know when they send you from Germany a certificate of data authenticity from registry offices, okay?
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| zavest10. 05. 2021 21:09:48 |
I'm looking forward to 2021 being a year of new insights, unlike some know-it-alls and infallibles, some of us learn all our lives
> when I see some panic-monger on the road with a mask, and no one around for a kilometer
Interesting, so you distinguish with the naked eye at kilometer distance if someone wears a mask or not ... but you have trouble reading numbers in a table, if it's plus or minus. Or maybe you're scanning passersby with binoculars, looking for new GILFs? Probably both
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| Becar11. 05. 2021 07:16:35 |
When disinterest in vaccination in terms of what's right and wrong is already being commented on by the covid tracker, you see how nicely connected they are up there. Sometimes they'd call this "the devil jumps into their ass"
povezava
Well, this is what some naive fools mocked. More urgent issues than covid are pushed to the sidelines. After info on drastic reduction in cancer patients, here's also heart failure case. And I believe there are many more such diseases. And here we all ask ourselves, how many people will die because of this. I think far more than from/with covid.
povezava
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| pantani111. 05. 2021 20:02:05 |
I don't want anyone preaching to me about vaccination anymore. Especially not hypocritical doctors who have literally sold themselves. (Honestly - I have much higher respect for a love seller) Maybe not all, but the share is quite high anyway. Just because of that clientele I have aversion to vaccination, so I won't get vaccinated even if the virus mortality rises by some percent (which of course it won't). Somehow I can't comprehend that all these people have been preaching and threatening me about social responsibility for a year, while they themselves are the biggest egoistic asses. Already last year they immediately grabbed the situation, shouted at the top of their lungs that the virus is terribly dangerous and that everyone should stay home for half a year, wear masks and not socialize etc. In their arguments you can only see defense of their own position and their narrow field of work, while they lack a holistic picture. In fb rantings long and wide they pontificate about how we are all anti-vaxxers, ignorant, ignoramuses, fools .... But they themselves during the whole year made so many professional mistakes related to predictions of epidemic surge, uncontrolling the situation, excess deaths etc., and about masks outside (turned out completely useless), that one gets no other feeling but that they are fachidiots. Just like Elon Musk called Gates a knucklehead, so would I call them. In one year they destroyed lives (or at least worsened) of many young people, caterers, other workers, and now due to efforts to vaccinate everyone as soon as possible, also every Tom, Dick and Harry (segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated is announced, in the future complete control with Covid passes; btw. highly esteemed by doctors Alojz Ihan said repression won't happen and vaccination won't be mandatory, now exactly that is being announced). Ahh .... Last one turn off the light.
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| Hribolaznik11. 05. 2021 22:37:07 |
Forced vaccination??? Who is forcing you???
Some of you invent problems even if they don't exist...
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| Becar11. 05. 2021 23:39:54 |
The logic is quite simple, either we'll have to vaccinate under this pressure, or they'll make life difficult for us at every step and discriminate against us. I'll proudly choose the second path, meaning the hard way. I'm sure in the end the people will win over the clique. But the will of the people shows more and more each day with resistance to vaccination, just read the mood and opinions of people under some covid propaganda news. The nation isn't that stupid in general, of course a certain limited minority will have their head in the sand till the end. Glad also that more and more people are realizing the truth, even those who thought of vaccinating have changed their minds, many.
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| Becar12. 05. 2021 10:11:00 |
From what I've read, roughly by size ratio the mask stops the corona virus like a soccer net on the goal stops a fly. Work masks from Merkur were always intended for dust particles and not viruses. Just for a feel, PM10 particle size is 10 microns, corona virus average 0.1 micron. That's a factor of 100.
Already at the appearance of the "pandemic" scientists warned: Makes sense to wear a mask only if you're sick!
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Happy shopping and wearing masks. This way we support covid smugglers very well No other benefits though.
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| 5Xum12. 05. 2021 12:58:03 |
Becar, do you think individual coronavirus particles fly through the air by themselves?
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| Becar12. 05. 2021 13:05:59 |
5xum, if you have measurement data on virus carriers, please share them. We'll talk further more easily. For a fly to get stuck in a soccer net, there's still quite a bit missing, agree?
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| zavest12. 05. 2021 13:22:03 |
5xum, exactly, the virus doesn't fly through the air by itself, but binds to particles. But that's already higher math for forum science doctors.
Citing measurement data is Sisyphus work, because Dr. Becar has trouble already understanding numbers from a table where some values have positive (+) and others negative (-) sign.
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| Trobec12. 05. 2021 13:37:27 |
It's long been known that "surgical" masks from Spar, Petrol are quite ineffective at retaining aerosol. Same with most washable ones. Even with real surgical masks efficiency is limited. E.g., if you put 4 people in a small unventilated office, it will quickly fill with aerosols from a potentially infected person, regardless of mask. Key here is reducing number of people and especially ventilation. In e.g. a store, where a person stays short time in principle, mask is more effective. Prevents droplet infection, with aerosol the infected won't fill the store in a few minutes anyway.
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| Becar12. 05. 2021 14:07:13 |
Zavest, from you there have been no measurement data anyway so far, 10% unfounded claims and 90% other nonsense that has no connection to covid. I expected given your zeal that you'd dig up something yourself anyway. Well, here you go from me. The most common size of human-produced aerosol is 1 micron. That means we have a ball of 10 stuck flies that the soccer net stops. What will you say next? Again some Sisyphus, self-reflection, psychoanalysis ..... ? Can't wait
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