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| jax13. 07. 2021 15:11:48 |
@becar
Van, your naivety really knows no bounds anymore. Do you really believe what you write? Vaccination rate and infection rate mean normal life. Really? Last year at this time there were no vaccines yet, infection rate minimal, the country was locked down at the end of autumn. What do you have now? 40% vaccination rate (in this percentage practically all at-risk groups), high infection rate and a plan to lock down the country in August. You are really funny, do you think anyone believes you? big grin
I don't agree with becar on many things and think he exaggerates a lot, but this is naked truth.
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 15:32:47 |
Jurček M, judging by your last paragraph, I see you're getting better. Well, slowly even the most stubborn will realize the truth, that's positive. I'm only worried about one or two on this forum anymore, but we know, perfection doesn't exist! Because those two I'm thinking of will probably get vaccinated even after Bojana Karadžić says these vaccines are high risk 
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 15:37:07 |
I'm copying, so you know what our government is really doing when it says it's not forcing anyone to vaccinate:
"From Thursday 15.7. all truck drivers (Slovenian and foreign) who have not recovered from Covid or are not vaccinated will need a rapid test valid for 48 hours to enter Slovenia. As goods transporters and transit, they will no longer be exempt. Such a condition has been set only by Slovenia among Balkan and European countries.
This will cause chaos, both at the borders and in the economy and trade!"
Obviously the devil is still whipping with his tail, but everything is being recorded and added to the list for later criminal prosecution.
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| zavest13. 07. 2021 16:18:43 |
The truth is hidden in a wide range between the so-called covid mafia on one side and the deniers on the other side.
However, most find it hard to look beyond their own frameworks or bubbles: flawed communication and rhetoric of the rulers is on one spectrum, on the other categorical denial of everything related to covid. As long as the latter cling to the belief that it's just a common cold or milder flu, the debate is meaningless...
For the claim about measures on 15.7. a source is missing 
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 18:11:49 |
@Becar, jax: surely you don't think this will last forever. The thing will gradually become seasonal and we'll live normally with it like every flu season. For now we're still not infected/vaccinated enough, the incoming variants are more and more contagious (vaccines will probably adapt to them in the future). That's the reason there's no normality yet.
And that it won't come soon is what anti-vaxxers are ensuring (and then laugh at those expecting it), not because some alleged 'covid mafia' is holding it back in the background. The mistakes this government makes in the fight against the virus (and in general) you cite as arguments against vaccination.
It reminds me of one moron who 20 years ago on TV, with the mistakes and scandals the church was making (and still makes), proved that God doesn't exist.
The successful countries Primož listed will achieve this normality quickly, we'll do it slower. Pardon, they'll celebrate victory over the 'covid mafia' faster even by its recipes. Isn't that already contradictory? 
And yes, it would be nice if NGOs were as aggressive in the vaccination campaign as in the referendum one. But bosses' orders are different, otherwise no more privileges and money when we come back to power.
And this about the portal the main anti-vaxxer here quotes most: https://siol.net/digisvet/novice/kaj-so-vam-zamolcali-slovenski-zdravniki-ki-so-proti-cepljenju-556784
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 19:03:25 |
Well, those two I wrote about have now spoken up long and wide.
The matter is quite simple. Let whoever wants get experimental vaccines, even 100x, leave the rest who don't want to be guinea pigs alone. Without any restrictions, discrimination, imposition, accusations etc. Because otherwise the international code of the Nuremberg trials on crimes against humanity is violated. That's all I want, nothing more and nothing less. 
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 19:35:10 |
There is no discrimination, unvaccinated or unrecovered are simply dangerous for virus spread so their radius of movement is limited.
No one is accused for not getting vaccinated (at least shouldn't be, except if in groups and professions that should), but rightly accused if pushing others not to vaccinate.
With these 'nuremberg processes' you're already grotesque, not to say offensive to all victims for whom they were introduced.
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 19:53:25 |
Of course it's discrimination. You're vaccinated, protected from me, so leave me alone. What, are you as worried about me personally as Bojana, Milan and Matej? You're a true humanitarian!
All the 'victims' (as you call them) of the Nuremberg trials were psychopathic criminals against humanity. This includes holocaust, camps, civilian massacres, medical experiments on prisoners (racial and religious discrimination, fetal removal, removal of internal organs while conscious, dismembering and re-sewing Siamese twins, eye removal from children while conscious, operations without anesthesia, injecting experimental 'medicines', restricting movement and other human rights - ring any bells???...). These criminals in my opinion all got too mild punishments. For me they should relive what they did to others. If you Van count them among victims and that I'm offensive to them, then you're beyond help! But you know what, in the end they all realized what they did wrong. That's why cyanide was quite in demand then.
Just now reading that JJ talked on an international video conference with Iranian mujahideen, until recently a known terrorist organization notorious for human rights violations. Van, were you also a member of that video conference, given your leanings?
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 20:04:04 |
If there's one unvaccinated in a room, crowd, ... it's ok, if two or more then virus can spread between them and they can carry it further. But really your logic doesn't work as it should for someone with VII technical education.
Everyone knows who the victims were for whose sake the perpetrators were tried in the nuremberg processes and don't twist my words. All who babble about some new nuremberg processes are literally mocking the seriousness of those processes, and thus also the victims of those perpetrators.
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| SamoK13. 07. 2021 20:10:00 |
VanSims clearly wrote who the victims were for whose sake the process was introduced. That you don't understand that, and persist with comparing one of the greatest horrors caused by a degenerate nationalist ideology with current problems common to all humanity, is pathetic.
Likewise VanSims already told you no one forces you to vaccinate.
Ok, you're not vaccinated and stay unvaccinated.
But you're an idiot.
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 20:11:05 |
Are you still in your right mind? What bothers you if you're vaccinated, how many unvaccinated around you in the room. By your conviction you've protected your ass against 0.25% deadly virus with experimental vaccine, don't meddle with the other, I don't know, 20 in the same room. Problem solved!
Regarding N 2.0 processes you obviously don't know how it started e.g. in fascist Italy. Exactly like now with us. Mudslinging at other parties, problems with media, dissenters, movement restrictions, divisions into yours and ours etc... That's why fascism must be nipped in the bud, not when it's too late. That's the historical lesson some will never understand.
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| SamoK13. 07. 2021 20:13:27 |
Nuremberg trials in Italy?
What else will you make up.
Unvaccinated idiot.
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 20:16:04 |
SamoK you're an idiot squared, if you missed it a while ago Van publicly ranted that it's not necessary that the holocaust even happened. So idiot & idiot.
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| SamoK13. 07. 2021 20:17:50 |
Ok, moron VanSims, if you fall for those lies that there was no holocaust, and moron you, who thinks that the holocaust is comparable to someone telling you that it would be useful if you get vaccinated!
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 20:22:24 |
I think almost all forum readers understood what I meant to say in the first paragraph, except Becar. Really, now I also think you bought not only a university diploma but also a high school certificate.
Yes, that's how it starts in Slovenia too: mudslinging, not just parties, whole countries abroad, creating artificial problems for that purpose, attacking those who think differently, spitting, scratching house facades, threats, menacing home visits ... What fascist Italy, it was like that in Nazi Germany.
These are methods that our left clique understands well and repeats them, probably with the same intention.
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 20:25:38 |
Becar, please, quote when I claimed there was no Holocaust: forum, page, post number on page plus exact words.
Or an apology.
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 20:30:30 |
You ranted at length that it's not necessarily what is written in history books about the Holocaust, and you were pretty much spat on back then. I can't be bothered to search back, if necessary, I will! But I'll wait, maybe someone else from the forum remembers it.
Apologize to him for the bought diploma.
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| Becar13. 07. 2021 20:32:56 |
Here, I already have ZS right away, a witness who confirms that you wrote about it. What, you don't remember anymore what you wrote?
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 20:38:59 |
Someone with a level VII university diploma cannot have such deficient logical reasoning skills.
I will apologize then, when you apologize for all the lies written on this forum, not only to forum users but also to all who read and fell for your nonsense and articles. Or, when you apologize to all who got sick also because of your nonsense, because they didn't get vaccinated, didn't follow measures, ... consequently deceased relatives as well as to Slovenia for all the economic damage that you also helped cause with this and that will still arise because of it.
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| VanSims13. 07. 2021 20:40:57 |
Forum, page, post number on page plus exact words.
That one with ZS should report here on the forum.
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