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| Becar6. 08. 2021 13:11:44 |
So, let's go back to analyzing this corona pigsty  I'm attaching the death rate graph for Germany (2010-2020), issued by Statista portal, as you see, issued in June 2021. What do we notice. Mortality in Germany has been slowly rising over the last 10 years, as it is in most Western countries due to population aging (nothing new and dramatic). Look at the year 2020 or the last column. What do you notice. If you draw an imaginary slightly rising curve over the tops of the columns, the 2020 column doesn't stand out at all, if anything it's a bit lower than expected. Even more, in 2018 mortality was even slightly higher than 2020. So statistically covid could even be healing, if I also 'joke' a bit in Jelko's style. Unfortunately I don't have full access to other countries on Statista, but why Germany is a super example or relevant. It's one of the closest and largest countries in Central Europe to us, similar climate, over 80 million inhabitants, so statistics are very reliable. If this is not sufficient proof of corona fraud, then I really don't know what else could be.
P.S.: In the next post I'll explain my thinking and analysis why excess mortality is a statistical indicator typical for covid mafia.
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| VanSims6. 08. 2021 14:13:55 |
@Aljoman: "It could also be the other way or what the current clique in power is doing, stupid measures, but stupid folk just falls for it."
Argumentation? I provided it, or explained why I think the picture is stupid fake. Or is it, given your previous simplistic posts, already too much for you?
If you even understand what I meant to say ... probably not, if in the post you replied to, you only understood the last simple sentence.
@Becar:
"due to population aging (nothing new and dramatic)"
Not directly related to covid, but aging of European population, that it's not dramatic, even though we know what consequences there will be. Ahaa, I who have no children should be quiet about it ...
"why Germany is super example or relevant. It's one of the closest and largest countries in Central Europe to us, climate is similar, over 80 million inhabitants,"
2 mil. against 80 mil., khmmm... comparable? Further, climate isn't that similar, but okay. What bursts the barrel bottom is much better health system compared to our transitionally screwed one and better compliance with measures, because Germans are a bit different from us. Mentally a bit less comparable.
"explain my thinking and analysis why excess mortality is statistical indicator typical for covid mafia."
Who from the so-called 'covid mafia' talks about excess deaths? It started being discussed on this forum, maybe mentioned somewhere else.
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| Becar6. 08. 2021 14:35:56 |
EXCESS MORTALITY (excess mortality) as a tool of intimidation by the covid mafia
Have you ever wondered why we don't have (even at this moment) all available data for such simple statistical data as say mortality or mortality/no. of inhabitants (crude death rate) for all or at least most countries in 2020? These are data that every or almost every adult can understand. On the other hand, they bombard us from everywhere with data on excess mortality. Among other things, we remember Primož and that beloved portal of his (sadly I don't remember the name) full of mathematical geniuses, statistical experts etc...
The excess mortality graph looks really scary. Not only the Slovenian one, also the German one, to continue the story about Germany. But how is it possible that the mortality graph posted above is "nice", but excess mortality is "horrifying". Something doesn't add up, we agree?
I got the idea for this reflection a few days ago, when we could read about the way of rewarding the government-loyal leadership of the Jožef Stefan Institute with jobs in important positions with high salaries etc... And then one wonders: Can that anecdote about rain and the meteorologist apply also in the case of (IJS)? As often, the devil hides in the details, in this case in the way of presenting statistical data.
It's no secret that in developed western countries mortality (death rate) increases over the years. The reason, as said, mainly aging of the population. All projections show it will continue for the next 50 years. Now I'll put myself in the role of covid mafia. What graph to show so we can manipulate the masses with it. Answer: Excess mortality graph. And how would I do it, as covid mafia.
1) Someone remembers the fact of the usual annual increase in mortality in the western world, which practically means we have excess mortality every year compared to the previous year.
2) Take data on mortality by months or weeks for 2020 ("epidemic")
3) Compare 2020 first with 2019 data. Finds that the difference by weeks is not that high. What now, to make it more convincing?
4) Then finds that 2020 data deviate more if compared with data from years back, i.e. 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015.... precisely because of the reason described in the first point (increase in mortality over years)
5) Let's lower the comparative mortality number by considering 5 years back. Enter these data into the excess mortality graph. Now the graph is already more scary than it was before compared to 2019.
6) What else can I do for the cherry on top. Change the scale on the y-axis of the graph in such a way that the graph is zoomed in layman's terms and the curves stretched across the entire height of the graph. This way the view of the graph will be even more dramatic. I can even try logarithmic scale etc...
There, that's what I would do if I were in the covid mafia, you judge yourselves what someone did, why things don't add up etc... This is called statistical manipulation without cheating. And best regards
P.S.: so no one misunderstands that we don't have real experts at IJS. Of course we do, excellent even on world level! The question is, in which direction someone can direct them. After all, they are just employees who don't decide about their work.
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| VanSims6. 08. 2021 14:54:50 |
Do you think anyone bothers to read such long treatises? Not even I want to reply to you, and I'm technically-mathematically educated. Let alone ordinary folk you're trying to win over, (anti)vaxxers.
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 15:01:52 |
Don't worry if you don't feel like reading.
I read it.
The little guy is convincing himself that what he made up is true. Nothing else.
He has no clue about statistics.
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| VanSims6. 08. 2021 15:29:19 |
"I read it."
Good for you that you held out! 
"He has no clue about statistics."
You didn't need to write that, since it's already clear to everyone on this forum, except him and his close circle of ass-kissers.
But this reminds me more and more (if I continue drawing parallels with dictatorship) of the piles of 'scientific' treatises that our comrades wrote and published, say in the Self-Management textbook in high school, where there were enough such treatises for the whole year. 
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| pantani16. 08. 2021 15:31:18 |
It's scary that the experts stumble over low-risk and no-risk groups, on the other hand they already admit that vaccination doesn't stop the spread of the virus. Viruses have been, are and will be present in everyday life, the course of the disease depends on the individual at least. So vaccinating children and no-risk groups won't contain or stop the virus, but vaccinating the at-risk group which is 80+ maybe also 50+ we will alleviate the course of the disease or at least reduce complications. Once again; vaccination doesn't prevent spread!
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| julius6. 08. 2021 16:29:50 |
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| VanSims6. 08. 2021 17:06:13 |
"big grin Julius, from your comment I see that Van got upset again because he'll never forget those statistical slaps."
Statistical slaps. Oh, I didn't even read the words because I didn't feel like it This one really lives only in his own virtual world anymore. As I say, like the fuhrer in his last days ...
"Blocking those 7 morons is"
First four, now already seven. Soon he'll reach Primož, over whom he had so much to comment 
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| pantani16. 08. 2021 18:02:43 |
I read it, I'm really curious about the response from vaccination advocates and aggressors. What has been known for a long time, but wasn't allowed to be said out loud!!!
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 19:21:34 |
In reality, regarding the vaccine he said this (quite different from the bombastic title):
"...the effectiveness against people getting infected is maybe around 60 percent. "
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 19:23:17 |
pantani1, you are of course right (previous post), that it now shows the vaccine is not as effective as they thought. But that it wouldn't work at all, obviously doesn't hold. It works both against infection and against severe course of the disease.
And not "it's been known for a long time ...", if you put something on expert findings. If a look at the coffee grounds suffices for you, some knew it already in the previous century.
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 19:24:28 |
(And I don't count myself exactly among vaccination advocates, let alone that I'd be aggressive  )
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| Becar6. 08. 2021 19:32:42 |
Here you have nicely described the dress rehearsal with SWINE FLU, how the swine mafia tried manipulation back then, fortunately stopped in time. But did we learn anything? NOTHING
Crime against taxpayers
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 19:45:29 |
But out of curiosity I looked a bit more at this Free West Media.
It's a pro-Russian, anti-American blog of far-right wingers, borderline fascists. Looks like Russia directly supports them, maybe finances too.
You can find this for example up there:
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/incompetence-or-malice-navalny-case-uncovers-european-bureaucratic-inconsistencies/
About how they "allegedly" poisoned Navalny and that in reality Russia is not guilty at all etc.
Holy shit.
Thanks, "starejša", for such fine evening entertainment. And you little primitives fall for it! Somewhere in Novosibirsk they are laughing at you.
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 20:12:43 |
If anyone is interested what Free West Media writes about neighbor Hungary:
https://freewestmedia.com/?s=hungary
Maybe you, starejša?
They are almost as enthusiastic about her as our excellent PM.
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| SamoK6. 08. 2021 20:15:53 |
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