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Covid-19, Ukraine

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VanSims26. 03. 2021 12:56:42
Mortality will rise due to population aging??? Ekhmmm...

And comparing the 50s with today is like comparing pears and apples. Healthcare back then, standard, social services, ... incomparable to today's! Yes, then let's compare 200, 300 years back, when average life expectancy was 40-50 years and mortality much higher.

Comparison is most reliable if we compare with nearby years, now or take last three or at most last ten, fifteen is a question for statisticians.

And who is this famous 'covid mafia'? What do they want to achieve? Operating in almost all countries of the world or having agents there?
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Becar26. 03. 2021 14:24:29
Vansims, this time I'm answering you for the last time, can't be bothered anymore. Of course mortality rises with higher average age, what did you think, is that already too much math? So just look at mortality projections for most EU countries, which will rise sharply.

Covid mafia? For me personally pharma - lobbies - politics - representation of vaccines, masks, tests, ventilators... I don't know, didn't you follow from whom we bought tests? Unsuitable ventilators, tissues with rubber band? Doesn't it seem strange to you that there were so many criticisms of tests, yet they got the new order again the same? Why did we buy the cheapest AstraZeneca? Disappearance of trucks, drivers, ordering through suspicious Bosnian businessmen? Do you think those who ordered the goods are not involved? Are you following the brutal police interventions all over the world? Have you asked yourself why protests are banned despite masks? Curfew? Does it remind you of anything like intentional crowd control for undisturbed theft of public money? Media also have their role in the chain, who inflated the story of some deadly disease in China from the beginning and talked only about that. Similar situation as in the 2008 economic crisis, where media bear a large share of responsibility. If you trumpet the same thing every day, people and companies automatically reduce spending, investments, which pulls a domino effect.

And at the top of the chain pharma, which is interested in healthy nation right? If you believe. Just like arms industry is interested in peace and oil industry in alternative energy sources. Have you heard what influence the arms lobby has on politics in the USA? Who benefits from every American being able to have a gun?

As I say, to each his own joy. If that's normal for you, then continue enjoying that thinking.

Nice that there are also such people who believe in the honesty of pharma, politicians, resellers etc... My opinion is that the listed will do everything in their power to make this madness continue indefinitely. Why? Answer yourself, hope I've hinted enough.

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tinky26. 03. 2021 15:15:07
All scientists.
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parenzo26. 03. 2021 17:51:48
I'm glad.
velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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fpetel126. 03. 2021 19:13:02
Every smart talk is pointless - especially evaluating laws and regulations that are given for a reason. Also, how everyone has their interests etc... Otherwise, breaking laws has its name. Sense of laws - no need to burden with that - most criticized by people who have no idea, people without higher or high education, below-average informed.

In our dear country the only problem are media that advocate measures and spit on them. In red star and almost illiterate MPs I see no solution.

Nice that majority of people will get vaccinated, which will bring approximately normal and almost equal life very quickly.

Closing the country for Easter holidays would be welcome then opening, so that by May the country ends with most restrictions.
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lino26. 03. 2021 19:38:41

Primož, nicely, concisely and understandably you presented the main culprits why Corona is still raging - kekci, bučkoti and bučkoti suppliers. If the state spiritually enlightens these sinners too, we're saved. We've won! nasmeh
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Becar26. 03. 2021 20:27:52
If you've watched Tarča at all, you could hear that doctors get up to 17,000 EUR gross salaries and that's those who weren't even on covid wards and those who canceled most check-ups and procedures. In plain speak, they were relieved. Now let someone say that the medical profession is interested in ending the epidemic.

Let's applaud the poor burned-out doctors too, who like Zdravko saved human lives with superhuman efforts.

P.S.: No mistake, a good doctor can still be found here and there.

Profiteers among doctors
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VremevTržiču26. 03. 2021 20:52:49
God bless them with their 17,000 euros gross salaries.
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Becar27. 03. 2021 14:48:13
The madness continues, I read that the profession from the above-mentioned types proposes complete lockdown of the country, movement limited to distance from home. And that after several months of vaccinations, testing, curfew, masks, homeschooling and I don't know what else. They'll destroy even that little bit they haven't yet. And the scenario is already known here. Given the vaccination speed, there'll be 1001 new strain before full vaccination and this Santa Barbara will go on endlessly.

And not to forget, we have 20 elderly in nursing homes currently infected with covid, of course they are already 2x vaccinated.

INFECTIONS OF ALREADY VACCINATED
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VanSims27. 03. 2021 16:11:26
@Becar: Is it so hard to grasp that the longer we live the fewer of us die each year? 100, 200 years ago when life expectancy was shorter, mortality was also higher. With development of science, medicine, rise of living standards ... life expectancy increased and mortality decreased.

As for the 'covid mafia' I wouldn't waste words, conspiracy theorists just can't be convinced anyway. And no, I by no means believe in the honesty of anyone, not media, not pharmaceutical industry ... let alone politicians.

What you list are war profiteers and hangers-on who put their snout in every such thing. You mostly mention our scandals, which may or may not be true. I won't comment. Some probably are. But those are political scandals.

OK, what about the world? I'll tell you. The real war profiteers aren't even remotely known to us. Media don't write about them. They write about political scandals, not real ones. Because they write for their parties and owners.

Example? Mandatory wearing of FFP2 masks in Austria and Bavaria. When almost all experts unanimously claim they are no safer than surgical ones, even worse for bearded and narrow-faced people. Who do you think profited from their sales? Not just retailers, many in politics who helped push them as mandatory. But not in Austria and Germany!!! Yeah, right there people are screwed because they have high standards, that's why they don't go to streets or they do only because they can't have a beer in a pub! Media all under politics anyway. But hypocritically attack East European countries regarding media freedom.

Profiteers among doctors. To be clear: doctors ARE mafia. I too have bad experiences with them. No matter how they try in this crisis, but it's the young ones, residents, nurses ... Some of them really burn out, the senior doctors who each have five, six jobs in private clinics, probably (many, not all) are scratching themselves.

Still, I'm skeptical about such reports of huge salaries. Based on an example from our institution where I'm employed. 24ur published a year or two ago that someone here has full 16,000 something EUR salary. And not even on a leading position. What was really?

The guy was illegally fired a year or two before. He sued them and won. That means they have to re-employ you and pay all back wages from the dismissal date. That's what ours did, with the first paycheck they paid all the sued back wages and it added up that much. If not, they'd get garnishment! But 24ur pompously published it as if he always had such salary.

Do you think anyone apologized to us after our PR intervened? Allowed a correction? Ah, don't be ridiculous ... They are the most protected and most lying media in Slovenia.

Only 20 nursing home residents out of vaccinated got infected. Bravo! Means the vaccine really works with that 90 something percent as Pfizer stated. That's very good for a vaccine.

@tinky: no need to be a scientist, just a bit of common sense and salt in the head! mežikanje
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Sorok27. 03. 2021 19:39:48
Bravo Lino. May your wishes pour from your mouth into you-know-who's earsvelik nasmehcool
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lino27. 03. 2021 19:55:39

Sorok, thanks! May your mouth be gilded. Those ears have a wide range, though. From the government, bučkoti, kekci up to God's ears. nasmeh
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Becar27. 03. 2021 20:15:48
Vansims, I won't argue with you anymore, as I said, no point in it. Aging population means de facto higher mortality, ask anyone, even at Jožef Štefan if you want. I could give you mathematical proof too, but waste of time. You have every right to tremble before this bogeyman virus, while I live a relaxed life.
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Sorok27. 03. 2021 20:26:38
Lino, you called for gilding mouths, but I'll stick to these - you know what they did in 3rd Reich before (and probably after too), when they lit up; well maybe without burning, who knowszavijanje z očmi
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jax28. 03. 2021 17:47:32
Insanity is doing the same thing day by day and expecting different results. (A. Einstein)

How many times have we repeated this sentence in the last year? It's over. Throw those kekci down, this leads nowhere anymore. Potrč has more common sense than them. But true, if we all croak, no more virus. Maybe that's what they want to achieve.
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zavest28. 03. 2021 17:53:08
Regarding unnecessary movement within municipalities: Primož, I hope you'll start with yourself and set a good example mežikanje Why did you then go to Viševnik today to "enjoy while you still can"? You could have stayed 50 m from home already before the government decisions (or at least 50 m from the selfie camera) velik nasmeh
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andi228. 03. 2021 17:53:10
No jax, you're wrong. The point is in the days, because the virus knows what the start of a new month is and what day is Thursday. So I was today on cross run completely safe for the surroundings, although I spat and blew worse than during Covid. Especially in that final phase, when from exertion you no longer know how and where, just automatically move legs further to the goal. On Thursday, yes - on Thursday, God preserve! Immediately mask up, as soon as the nose sticks out through the block doorvelik nasmeh Coincidence? It wanted it to be Fool's Day too.
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jax28. 03. 2021 18:01:52
As for masks outdoors, I can offer one comparison that you mountaineers will understand.
Suppose we all agree that when climbing dry rock the probability of serious injuries or even death is smaller with rope belaying. Now - if belaying when climbing the wall is so effective, we'll be even safer if we demand belaying also when walking on the meadow? We probably agree that's absurd.
The moral of the story is simple - every measure is effective in the appropriate situation. That we'll improve its effectiveness at all by generalizing it to all situations is a complete delusion.
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parenzo28. 03. 2021 19:03:08
I miss Bećar.
Has something happened to him?
Is he catching breath and writing anti-fa rally report?
velik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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felix28. 03. 2021 19:13:16
Our expert group seems composed of such experts as one on this forum. That's why they adopt such measures.
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