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megalodon2. 07. 2011 19:29:27

I'm also posting on the general forum. I'm interested in your experiences too. I already have one from Zelenica. My friend and I fled to the "plateau" of the new hut under construction. This time even with kids.
Today we went as a family with three children (3, 6, 8 years old) to Dovška Baba but couldn't even reach the hut at Dovška Rožca. Already down on the path we noticed the sign Beware vicious bull, but I didn't want to scare the kids, although at least the bigger one kept asking if it could do something to us... As a brave cool dad I didn't even blink, although I've already seen posts about this bull here on the forums.
Well, but what awaited us in front of the "hut". About 50 meters below the hut we stopped preventively, as we saw the bull digging and bellowing, even though two "caretakers" were right next to it, sawing something. When one tried to chase it away because of our hesitation, the bull charged at him, knocked him down and the other saved him by a hair. The woman on the balcony just squealed. I'm not exaggerating, the situation was serious. Since the "locals" couldn't tame the bull, my wife and I, for the safety of the kids and ourselves, rather decided to turn back without the summit.
Now the point. It "hurts" me for the summit because I've been up there already, and safety is always first for me, but explaining that to the kids, especially the youngest, who at 3 years old is really a good hiker, is a bit harder. For kids summit and stamp... means a lot. They haven't read Nejc's book Potnasmeh yet. How can someone allow grazing livestock on a public hiking trail that they don't control and is dangerous for hikers??!!!! angry
Sorry for the slightly longer post, which was made just for information and guidance especially for families who would go up there. You might still save your own ass, but how to drag three "little frogs" behind you I really don't know.

YoYo2. 07. 2011 20:13:55

Did you tell the cow to fuck off twice full-on?
Put a red jacket on the wife, save the rest nasmeh

Joking, but the matter is deadly serious. I too run into similar cases often and completely understand you. Nasty yeah zmeden

ljubitelj gora3. 07. 2011 00:36:14

I'm from a big farm, we have a lot of livestock, also bulls, real ba*ards, we don't put adult bulls out to pasture, but when loading onto the truck I'm scared, because I also fear these ba*ards myself, although I'm often not there, even my dad was once thrown to the ground by a smaller home bull and unpleasant childhood experience. Even the owners of these bulls must be aware of their attacking power. With cows I have no problems, they are calm and non-aggressive. There is also a solution how to defend against a bull but I don't recommend it, stick solves the problem.

@rekar3. 07. 2011 07:25:43

Those who are afraid of cows and bulls I recommend stay home or keep away from them. Most alpine pastures are private property, so none of the farmers will be responsible if we walk on their property, especially if there's a warning sign then you really have no business there. It's just like in front of a house it says beware bad dog.

skalar503. 07. 2011 11:03:04

Interesting topic. Liability of farmers for "attack by domestic animals"? What if some lawyer (attorney) would contribute a word (current legislation) on this topic? So that legal laymen don't thresh empty straw...

megalodon3. 07. 2011 13:41:17

@rekar, hope I misunderstood this "whoever is afraid of bulls and cows". I myself spent almost all vacations in youth on a real mountain farm. And the title is not dangerous cows (because as @ljubitelj gora wrote they are calm and unproblematic) but dangerous bulls. Wonder who with three kids around (or even alone) wouldn't get scared of a 400-500 kg bull that attacks even its own caretaker. Regarding liability and measures of veterinary inspection read this from 2003:
BULL WENT BERSERK
On Wednesday morning a pedigree bull went "berserk" on Tegoška planina under Košuta. It all started when 57-year-old shepherd J. J. (from Kranj area) decided with a friend to visit his shepherd colleague on Pungrat planina. While walking he petted a cow from his herd and obviously greatly agitated the bull with that, who attacked him from behind on the left side and rammed his chest injuring several ribs. The man is now treated in Jesenice hospital. A helicopter with rescue crew came to help and took the unfortunate shepherd, but obviously no one informed the veterinary inspectorate about the incident, as they learned from us: "No, no one informed us about the bull attack. In a similar accident last year on Goška ravan the bull killed a man, then we ordered the slaughter of the pedigree animal," said inspector Mojca Fock. source: Dnevnik.si

@ljubitelj gora, how does a stick solve the problem when in our case the bull charged the caretaker because he tried to remove it with a stick.

YoYo3. 07. 2011 13:58:32

Megalodon, don't you get this sentence:

"Quote"Ljubitelj gora- There is also a solution how to defend against a bull but I don't recommend, stick solves the problem.

You nicely take a pole from Sergey Bubka and jump over him velik nasmeh

Hehe, joking. Ljubitelj gora, explain nicely, I'm interested too..

ljubitelj gora3. 07. 2011 14:05:22

You take bulls too lightly, keep far away from them, if it just looks at the ground and paws with its leg you should already be safe.
If you're talking about a 400kg bull it's really not nearly that big, our home bulls have that much meat, let alone live weight, that's why I'm usually not present at loading. On average they have over 350kg meat. The stick thing doesn't work when it's already flying at you, but only fleeing at full speed helps, stick is suitable at the beginning of the bull's rage, to show who's boss, I did that only once, it was already pawing and looking at the ground, I broke the stick on it myself, didn't know other solutions at the time, sorry I had to do that, animals hate beating and pay back dearly, but the bull would be under the knife then.
I recommend if you see a bull go around or bypass it widely, any teasing can turn into an accident.

megalodon3. 07. 2011 14:26:42

@YoYo good one velik nasmeh

@ljubitelj gora thanks, regarding weight estimate I'm total layman, didn't want to exaggerate although I'd give him more too. In short he was heavyweight. mežikanje

Well you know: lots in muscles little in brains. jezik

@rekar3. 07. 2011 15:52:21

@megalodon
Read carefully then you'll understand. If the warning sign is BEWARE FIERCE DOG you won't go to him, if it says BEWARE FIERCE BULL you also have no business there. At least follow a bit what's written on warning signs. And know that I understand animals well, I also herded livestock in youth and it's still not foreign to me today.

megalodon3. 07. 2011 16:01:38

I didn't think I'd have to post again. I don't know what you don't get.
We walked on the MARKED PATH and nowhere else. But if hikers are not welcome or our safety is endangered, let the path commission close the path already down there (like at landslides, torn cables...), and we'll turn around without problem and visit some safer and friendlier alpine pasture/mountain.
I posted this only because we walked on the marked hiking path, didn't cause damage to anyone, threaten him... But as it seems words are wasted, they won't see us there anymore, at least until this bull becomes a steak velik nasmeh

branči3. 07. 2011 19:08:04

I too came to the Dovška Rožca alpine pasture on 28.6.2011. When I wanted to continue from the hut towards Dovška Baba, the bull charged at me. He was all slobbery and bellowed threateningly. Although I'm used to animals, I saw there's no joke with him, so I retreated back to the hut plateau. When the caretaker distracted him with a treat, I could quickly continue the path, and not towards Dovška Baba, but I rather headed to Gubno. When I returned later, luckily he was at the other end of the pasture. In conversation with the friendly caretaker, I learned that the bull had a bad day, and otherwise he's not aggressive zmeden

And also the warning sign was then only at the main gate on the road, while on other parts where it's possible to reach the pasture, there wasn't. So visitors to this end, pay attention to this bull, because especially if he spots you on the road, since he's very unpredictable.

kaveljc3. 07. 2011 21:47:37

rekar sorry your comments are pure crap.. hope you meet some mad bull then you won't act smartass anymore! Fact is marked paths lead through pastures and as such public and accessible to all hikers! and so they must be safe.... mad bulls should go for steaks or into enclosures... or hiking paths route elsewhere.. rekar if you don't get this there's really no help for you..
no hard feelings!

capraibex3. 07. 2011 21:48:07

On pastures, disturbing or dangerous animals should be isolated or physically prevented from coming into contact with people. It's not enough to have a "Beware bull" sign on the ramp. Such a case was on Pungrat, where a road to Šija leads through the grazing area. Thus you go literally into the bull's lap. I think visitors to mountains are not interested in what @rekar grazed in his youth, more perhaps how to safely arrive at the pasture and leave it; after all, visitors are an important source of income for pastures.

B24. 07. 2011 13:02:46

I fully agree with the findings of some. Hiking paths were routed along trodden trails, cart tracks and paths. They were traced (also) on private land with owners' permissions (often not!). In the past this didn't bother anyone much - now more and more! People protect their property and guard possessions - and on their own do what they want! That's how it is - no law prevents it! I myself experienced (years ago) a bull attack on the marked path from Planina pod Golico towards Javorniški rovt. In the hut by the (marked) cart track there were several persons and the mad bull rushed at my companion. No one reacted and the bull with bulging eyes all foamy pawed and bellowed - a stick helped! Also above Gradiška tour years ago grazed a horse whose eyes betrayed from afar that it was aggressive! Also in this case it directed an attack at my companion and we solved the problem by retreating behind a pine - and using a stick... It's different with people not used to animals and their behavior... I advise that we visitors be smart and understanding - and respect private property! Behave accordingly and insightfully! Hiking paths are maintained by the local mountaineering association and one should turn to it if we encounter problems on a hiking path. Which PD it is, we learn in the hut, on signs at direction boards and otherwise. Addresses and other data of the responsible PD are on the PZS website. And much satisfaction and enjoyment on hiking paths, without endangering domestic animals and disputes with landowners!

@rekar4. 07. 2011 13:25:25

@kaveljc
You write and behave as if you bought the hiking paths. Most hiking paths go through private land and no one will chase you if you behave normally and stick to hiking paths, otherwise you trample everywhere as allowed since it's all ours. Be aware livestock was on pastures before hiking trails were marked, so you would chase away livestock to be lord of mountains. Be aware it won't work, so I recommend you rather stay home between four walls.

@rekar4. 07. 2011 13:41:31

I'd add that pastures are for grazing livestock over the summer, shepherds are paid per head of grazed livestock. Pastures shouldn't provide hospitality as is done, those thinking they're hikers are always more demanding. Sorry, real hikers know how to behave and keep mountain rules.

@rekar4. 07. 2011 13:41:34

jprim4. 07. 2011 14:59:05

Only the sign on the wooden fence "Evil bull" we met last time on Planina Šija, when we read the sign barely when we left the pasture.
And then question to you rekar, how then to get to cottage cheese and cream on Šija pasture if you discourage visits to such pastures, I think it's extra income for shepherds and shepherdesses, we who don't have such delicacies at home are happy too - at least me if I weigh down my backpack a bit.
LP!

samoa4. 07. 2011 16:31:37

@rekar writes: "most pastures [are] private property", and further "most hiking paths go through private land". O.K., only if we -demanding- hikers didn't go to pastures for goodies, I don't know if shepherds would survive just from payment per head of livestock.
And I also don't know if they'll like it when you write that hospitality shouldn't be done at pastures (example Prevala,...)

megalodon4. 07. 2011 17:29:49

Our "adventure" quickly got an epilogue. nasmeh

It showed that a nice word finds a nice place, right @rekar. zavijanje z očmi

After the incident I described our event to the Path Commission at PZS.
Full praise to Miro Eržen from PD Dovje-Mojstrana and PZS vice-president Tone Tomše for the quick and effective solution. In the letter they sent me it writes among other things this:

On the basis of the warning forwarded on Sunday, 03.07.2011 about the incident that happened on 02.07.2011 on Dovška Baba between shepherd and bull and potential danger for hikers, I immediately after receiving the notice talked with the president of the Agrarian Community Dovje-Mojstrana. Due to problems with the bull, the Agrarian Community already removed the bull from the pasture yesterday, so there is no danger anymore.

So if I twist the Slovenian proverb a bit: the hiker is full and the bull is whole. velik nasmeh

Now go without fear to Dovška Rožca, up there only friendly cows. mežikanje

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