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| megalodon4. 07. 2011 17:38:08 |
And just a short reply to you @reker.
I sense that there is a lot of anger in you towards occasional or, as you might call them, perhaps uncultured hikers. Vent that anger elsewhere. Your comments here don't have much to do with our event.
I pointed out the problem EXCLUSIVELY because: my wife and I are raising our children and of course we ourselves stick to it to the letter, we go only on marked paths, take trash to the valley, don't drink on the path and don't disturb domestic and wild animals, don't pick flowers....
We acted the same this time and didn't provoke anyone or cause damage with anything. Period!
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| GregorC4. 07. 2011 17:59:11 |
megalodon even cows aren't always so friendly, and likewise not the other animals grazing on alpine pastures (already had an unpleasant encounter with a horse and a sheep). And the alpine pasture is meant for animal grazing, which they did even before marked trails were routed through. The animal just doesn't know you're on a marked trail.
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| megalodon4. 07. 2011 18:17:18 |
Thanks GregorC! I didn't know that the animal doesn't know I'm on the marked trail.
Look, I have no problem, close the trail below, and we'll go elsewhere. EASY. Then let them graze crazy cows, berserk sheep or even elephants up there if they want.
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| wolphgang4. 07. 2011 19:44:32 |
on Saturday evening cows were literally going crazy along the Bled-Pokljuka road. running across the road etc.
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| B24. 07. 2011 19:46:01 |
I too am the owner of land through which a hiking trail passes, which was (among other things) routed without any consent or anyone asking me about it. I've never obstructed any users or said anything to them for walking on that trail. I respect users who mostly behave decently and respect private property. Indeed, no dangerous bulls and horses graze there, but the plot is fenced for other reasons. If Mr. @ekar had at least skimmed my post, he certainly wouldn't "freak out" at my writing - and beat around the bush. I only wrote that private property must be respected and described my experiences. But I very much fear that Mr. @ekar behaves on hiking trails in the style of past times "it's all ours" which he accuses me of. I advise him that if he behaves like that on hiking trails and gives such advice also in the mountains, he better stay home himself! And best regards, no hard feelings!
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| @rekar4. 07. 2011 19:46:42 |
Those who write and comment here are not real hikers at all but ZDRAHARJI, who drive under the alpine pasture by car and then just look where you will find something to make moonshine. Such stay home and there will be no problems in the mountains. I have you all up my ass. Period.
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| JusAvgustin4. 07. 2011 19:46:43 |
They are training for the cow ball?
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| @rekar4. 07. 2011 19:46:45 |
Those who write and comment here are not real hikers at all but ZDRAHARJI, who drive under the alpine pasture by car and then just look where you will find something to make moonshine. Such stay home and there will be no problems in the mountains. I have you all up my ass. Period.
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| viharnik4. 07. 2011 20:28:21 |
Every animal I meet in the mountains just inspires me, because we're all a small part of nature and coexistence on earth. So the cows in Debanttal valley were just sitting by the road and curiously staring who was coming into the valley.
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| jprim4. 07. 2011 21:08:30 |
Oh, rekar - no bad mood, we don't want that ... I think we like animals, ....
for fun one example, some hikers on the way to Šija alpine pasture, right at the tail a little doggy, barely keeping up with the group, and my tongue - what about the doggy, did you forget it, put it in the backpack if it can't go that fast ... of course the group stops.
yeah, yeah the last in the group chime in, 
yeah dad, mom, did you forget the kid - the doggy, ... poor thing 14 years old ...
I just don't spare my tongue if I notice something's not right.
LP!
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| VanSims4. 07. 2011 22:29:11 |
I don't even know what the problem is here. Marked trails are public just like categorized roads. No one can legally prohibit you from moving on them even if they go through private land.
In such cases, just call the police, who must respond and intervene. The intervention is paid by the one responsible for the animals and they are obliged to clear the trail(road) otherwise the police must do it again at their expense.
And what's the problem?
Against a raging bull, pepper spray basically helps but it has to be the big one for bears. The small one for dogs would probably just rile him up more.
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| Kozorog4. 07. 2011 22:58:45 |
rekar.. sorry you're writing nonsense again.. public paths are public paths and you can shove your arrogance and stupid statements about zdraharji somewhere and stay stuck at home in the corner crying how no one understands you like Kalimero... Paths must be safe for everyone who uses them and that's it...
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| @rekar5. 07. 2011 17:40:06 |
@Kozorog
Just another non-mountaineer who thinks he's a mountaineer, who walks in the mountains making zdrahe. All fine and right. Regarding paths, only ones like you who don't follow the rules, I've had enough of them, you strip the pathless areas and disturb the livestock in the mountains. Better sit down and think a bit, then you'll understand everything.
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| Kozorog5. 07. 2011 20:04:05 |
@rekar... how you perceive life and where it has deprived or gifted you is completely your personal matter, as are your views. Interesting how much intolerance, anger, and contempt you bear the truth and different views. Where I belong as a highlander or mountaineer, I know myself so your preaching and labeling from your mind and judgments mean nothing to me, just like you mean nothing to me!
Let me remind you, the topic started about dangerous bulls, but you insulted and belittled almost all participants... come on poor thing think who is the zdrahar... because instead of constructive views you sowed the wind and now you can reap the whirlwind!
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| @rekar5. 07. 2011 20:23:04 |
@Kozorog
You throw a bone to the dog so that it gnaws on it.
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| viharnik5. 07. 2011 20:43:56 |
All that you've written has two extremes regarding "enraged bulls".
My view on these beautiful animals is completely different.
When we step onto the alpine pasture or the animal's territory and its current habitat, they certainly get disturbed. Before, the animals enjoyed their peace, then an uninvited guest enters the grazing area.
In such a case, even a human reacts to his property on a material protective basis, cows only based on claim over them and nothing for that grass. A valley dweller full of worries and patterns from everyday life, which have nothing to do with natural laws, actually doesn't have developed senses (they've atrophied), to feel at that moment upon encountering an animal from afar whether he can approach and by how much, if at all?.So after descent lower in the Debenttal valley I encountered on a narrow path two cows that wanted to go to higher pastures. Immediately I felt I had to stop and give way to the ascending creature and that's what I did. Even with a gesture and hand I signaled to them where, where!. The first cow took the hint as well-intentioned and calmly passed me, which I even patted a little, the second somewhat shy quickly hurried past. Immediately we understood each other and found an unspoken spiritual dialogue and there were no complications.
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| Kozorog5. 07. 2011 22:16:34 |
rekar that's why you're gnawing on it so persistently...
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| megalodon5. 07. 2011 23:27:37 |
Since I opened this thread, I'm a bit sorry because it's completely gone off track. Once again and I hope for the last time (for all those writing that we disturb animals, don't understand them...). We didn't even approach that bull and DIDN'T DISTURB IT WITH ANYTHING, we just watched from afar how it attacked the shepherd. SENSIBLE people have already REMOVED the bull! Nowhere did I write that all animals are wild and aggressive... And once again to you @viharnik: cows are not bulls and cows are not dangerous at all. AMEN!
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| ajda6. 07. 2011 00:06:07 |
megalodon is right that you wrote what happened to you, that's what this forum is for, to inform each other. An adult bull is dangerous even in the barn when tied up, let alone free like this, good you got away with it.
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| viharnik6. 07. 2011 16:48:10 |
For a bull, if he's not obedient and doesn't obey, I heard from a highland farmer that he hit him at home with a stick on the head a few times.Later the bull understood the master's gesture and every time since then, when the master raised the stick, the bull just trembled and rather went where he had to.
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