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Grintovec and Kočna

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Branee7. 10. 2019 06:24:51
"Derezice" are for city not mountains. To mountains take real crampons.

Whoever takes that to mountains, let him take bean pole instead of ice axe too, so he'll have set of nonsense with him he'll call winter gear.

Congrats on ascent
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narava10. 10. 2019 21:08:26
Anyone have latest info on Kremžar path condition? Snow, ice?
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Janez Seliškar10. 10. 2019 21:32:14
Take gear as if there will be snow and ice, and path under feet.
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lijaneja23. 10. 2019 15:13:28
Actually in reverse order as the title of this topic, yesterday I headed out on a wonderful 'late summer day'nasmeh.
Since they are renovating torrent diversions to the lower station of the cargo cableway to Kok. sedlo, I parked right after the turnoff to Kam. sedlo. While prepping for the start, two tanned Croatian youths walked past me wanting to go to Grintovec....velik nasmeh Well, besides those two, in ten and a half hours I saw only three more people. Really I don't get it at all. I won't talk about the pleasure of walking in the fresh morning, with all-day excellent views, about the rock that is warm when you climb it.
Before the hut I change clothes, quench my thirst and easily towards Jamam and Dolcem to the bivouac in Kočna, repeat the drill. I almost didn't continue, so pleasant it was at height 1952... The most annoying part of the path was the scree to the entry into the wall of Kokrska Kočna. Already in the initial part rocks are heavily debris-covered, as there was recently a small landslide higher on the approach. Also bolts holding cables some pulled out (not from landslide), one on Kok. Kočna, at least three on the connecting part between summits. On both summits light breeze, so the sun wasn't so scorching as recently on Razor or Oltar. On the first summit new logbook, on the second heavily crumbling, obviously second summit more accessible to irresponsible people. On Grintovec I'd abolish itvelik nasmeh or allow entries only weekdays and winter, almost full, last visit two months ago there wasn't one yet.zmeden One more thing. Please caretakers of the boxes, don't put inkpads in them, I found many logbooks stained and ruined by them. Whoever intends to stamp, let them carry it with them.
Plenty of time, nice weather and exploratory urge led me also to the nearby summit of Jezerska Kočna called KÔLES, some seven meters lower. Small steep rubble full of metal that attracts lightning. Continuation to Grintavec nice scrambling, only the last steepness again gravel. Then descent to hut, pick up dry clothes and in shade to the car, which also had little company.
Since I was a bit longer, also due to favorable photo conditions, pictures somewhat more than usual.velik nasmeh
The first sun rays have already caressed Turska gora 2251.1
Kočna and Grintavec from in front of the hut at Kok saddle.2
Storžič and očak, far right bivouac in Kočna 1952.3
Once again big thanks to Mr. Seknet who ensured it didn't perish after its cover was blown away in 2011.4
From a frog's perspective.5
This Grinta seems strangely flat to me.6
Kočna, with a chamois in the middle of the scree7
Natural bivouac8
Before entering the wall approx. 2300m9
Kôles (approx. 2533m) and Jezerska Kočna from the top of Kokrska Kočna.10
Skuta and Grinta11
Zgornje Jezersko 88012
Stegovnik 169213
Virnikov Grintovec 165414
Obir 213915
Pristovški Storžič 175916
A pair on Skuta 2532...17
...while Grintovec is currently deserted18
11 km long mountain19
Its summit Košutnikov turn 213220
In the background Storžič, in the foreground 'Na Križu' 2484.21
It is noon, the north face remains in shadow22
summit of Jezerska Kočna23
Kôles, its height is approximately 2533m.24
Krvavške zelenice25
From the path to J. Kočna. Approach scree with bivouac on the grassy ledge.26
On Jezerska Kočna. Path continuation towards Grinta27
Panorama to the east. Skuta, Ojstrica, Planjava, Grintovec.28
Mrzla gora 2203. In front Jezersko sedlo29
Ojstrica 235030
Planjava 239431
Kokrska Kočna32
Storžič33
Towards Kočna, Na Križu, Storžič, Triglav34
Kôles35
Planjava,...36
...to Kočna,...37
...to Kočna...38
...and Krvavec from Kôles.39
The lightning made a real hole at the summit40
From the path towards Grintovec. Dolci with Kalški Greben.41
Peca, Olševa and Matkova kopa. Left J Baba.42
Matkova kopa 195743
Češka koča, probably always in the shade.44
Kočna above Zg. Dolci45
Almost twice ringed 'fehtarka' (on Grintovec)46
Dolgi hrbet and Skuta47
The whole day without clouds and mists48
Kogel 210049
Gešlosen50
I absolutely can't do without a 'click'51
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dprapr23. 10. 2019 17:39:02
According to one variant Koles is on the 24th picture, according to the other on the 27th. So now I don't know if you were on the right one. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of some local from Jezersko.
Otherwise, Tone, I see you're enjoying retirement to the full.nasmeh
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lijaneja23. 10. 2019 18:01:44
You're right, Drago! I too held this conviction for a long time and, I think I even posted it like that on this forum years ago. Lately I've got quite some data that Kôles is 2530m high, which the rock on picture 27 certainly can't be. Anyway this height isn't the most accurate in my opinion either, only 6-7m lower than J. Kočna.
Of course I was also on top of 27 a few years agonasmeh
Yes, nice days still ahead, but Sunday 'Lublanc' holds me back a bit for something more concrete.jezen
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Branee24. 10. 2019 06:17:35
To the right of the highest peak, the peak right next is Koles, that's how they taught us
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dprapr24. 10. 2019 08:52:29
Branee, they taught us many things.nasmeh
For me locals' naming is still most authoritative. Of course I don't dispute Tone, since I myself assume he's right here. Still it'd be nice to hear some opinion on this from someone from Jezersko. That's why I posted the comment.
Namely even in Matkov kot, where I've been very often in the last decade, official namings don't fully match locals' namings.
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lijaneja24. 10. 2019 12:49:29
M&M also mention it in a few words.
http://www2.arnes.si/~mcuder/vrh/jezerska_kocna.html
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panda24. 10. 2019 15:02:37
lijaneja: congrats for the completed trip and really illustrative pics. nasmeh
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lijaneja24. 10. 2019 20:31:09
Thanks, Radko!
The trip itself is nothing special, but I could really shoot pics all day.nasmeh
And Goriško report on the mentioned 'skalca'.
https://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/37568/
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mito300025. 10. 2019 12:03:18
Tone, another nicely used day. Super pics. Others just wait for the weekend. And it looks like I gotta add Koles to the list too :-)
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lijaneja25. 10. 2019 15:05:55
Ha ha, the list expands like the universe and I enjoy 'discovering' something new. Kôlesa not even on the broader two-thousanders list of good experts M&M, though they mention it, mine has reached the round number 350.
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mito300025. 10. 2019 15:41:33
Congrats on the round number. I hope next year to get very close to that figure. velik nasmeh
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lijaneja25. 10. 2019 16:30:18
Don't rush, Matjaž, you're already 19 years ahead of menasmeh
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gor564. 01. 2020 12:04:01
On that nice day, conditions were excellent. First Kočna, then Grintovec nasmeh
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Tomaž114. 01. 2020 13:20:20
Bravo, congrats... then I caught you in the viewfindervelik nasmeh
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čebejla4. 01. 2020 17:32:43
gor56, hats offnasmeh This is an achievement. How much time did you take?
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miratan24. 07. 2020 13:55:51
Hello,
I know absolutely nothing about Kamnik-Savinja Alps. This year I plan to fix that. I'm interested if the tour: Cojzova koča - Dovški prelaz - Bivak v Kočni - Kokrska Kočna - Jezerska Kočna - Dolška Škrbina - Grintovec - Streha - Cojzova koča is feasible and has no overly difficult sections. I think Ločanka did this tour last year. How much time approx for a normally fit hiker?
regards, M.
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jax24. 07. 2020 14:03:36
Depends what you mean by "overly difficult". Tour is definitely doable, but has some nasty spots. What sticks most in my memory is one spot on the ridge by Dovška škrbina, where you climb a 15-20m steep chute (down in described direction), near II difficulty, where you wonder why no fixed rope. Rest is okay, lots of scree and little secured, but really nothing that hard. Length? Can do in one day from valley, but tough full-day then. Starting from Cojzova koča, no issue.
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