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| tol8. 01. 2012 18:38:45 |
I think Lhotse is more meant as an all-year boot
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| garmont8. 01. 2012 19:08:27 |
These aren't winter boots, so they can be quite cold on snow after a few hours of walking (checked).
I bought them a month ago. At the start they were a bit stiff at the back. Now (after a few tours) they have softened.
Regards
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| ljubitelj gora8. 01. 2012 20:45:24 |
After a few winter ascents I can also add my experience with Alpina Tibet, summer mountaineering boots, leather, the boots fit nicely into classic crampons, just need to set the correct length on the crampons, a little trouble because the boot is soft and bends, but definitely no need to buy winter mountaineering boots, they performed well on Triglav and elsewhere. I have to say I haven't worn such good boots for a long time, almost no slips, no blisters, boot breathability, .... My positive experiences with these boots, absolutely, when Alpina has -50% I'll get more, last year I know they had this discount once in June. Alpina Tibet 1a boot, that's my PERSONAL opinion.
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| ljubitelj gora9. 01. 2012 10:03:48 |
Alpina has 50% sales? But don't know if up to -50% or direct -50%, lasts 7 days.
So if discount 50% then my wishes come true and I'll buy mountaineering boots with stiff sole for winter ascents.
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| keber19. 01. 2012 10:36:55 |
I have a question for the experienced: how resistant are winter boots to puncturing by crampons? Yesterday on my Garmont Idaho in an awkward fall I managed with crampons to make a two cm long cut through the leather. How about that with real winter boots?
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| matejn9. 01. 2012 11:17:13 |
No leather or synthetic is particularly resistant to such things. Somewhat depends on material thickness and type (keprotec, hypalon), but all has limits. Most immune to such are classic double plastic boots. Even they are not indestructible.
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| p3tro39. 01. 2012 11:53:59 |
Thanks for opinions on Lhotse boots.
Now I have another question for Maja or those who have Hanwag Ferrata Combi boots. After the try-on, they fit my foot very nicely, but I'm concerned about the rear (heel) part as it feels very hard. When walking uphill, the heel hardness is felt a lot, so I wonder if it was the same for you and if it softened later. It seems it could blister me on longer hikes because of that.
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| ljubitelj gora9. 01. 2012 13:09:18 |
Does anyone have experience with soft-stiff soles and crampons? Now I have soft sole + crampons, what are the disadvantages and what advantage made you switch to stiff sole, though I heard that for couloirs you need stiff sole, for ascents like Stol, Kredarica soft sole is ok, what do you think?
New Alpina boots would have attachment for automatic crampons, I have classic crampons...you can write more casually on PM too.
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| tol9. 01. 2012 13:15:18 |
If boot too soft everything bends with crampon, and in cold can crack all or remove crampon from boot.
Koelga also ice climbed with summer boots and strap crampons, they were quite bent banana-shaped at end.
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| Daaam9. 01. 2012 13:25:18 |
I join Tol... I have summer boots and regular crampons too, (this week get winter ) and it already happened that I had to straighten them... also tricky when descending hard snow crampon "grabs" ankle twists a bit... For easier ascents combo ok for serious no... And I not some winter devil 
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| ljubitelj gora9. 01. 2012 13:27:47 |
My brother said that if I plan to go into couloirs, I might fly down due to the summer boot. I would buy these:
http://www.alpina.si/si/izdelki/sport_11_12/trekking/mountaineering/?v=teton
We have a lot of experience with these gojzar boots, currently 3-4 pairs at home (brother's), they are OK when new, but the boot falls apart after 2-3 years, brother's sole delaminated, scuffed, upper wears out, except the sole is Vibram.... but boots used daily.
Full price of gojzar boots is around 180 euros, if 50% off, 90 euros.
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| JusAvgustin9. 01. 2012 13:30:03 |
I think that every winter boot for mountaineering must have a stiff sole. The advantage of a stiff sole is that it is relatively static, the crampon doesn't come off, walking in a stiff sole on snow is easier, you can make "steps", when climbing (ice, snow, rock, mixed) it is important that the sole is stiff for foot precision, so that the crampon doesn't come off under heavy load, and for general leg stability on steep slopes and walls (steep slope up to 55 degrees incline, beyond that defined as wall). Anyway, if you want to do serious mountaineering both in winter and summer, I recommend (at least) two pairs of boots (summer - lighter, breathe better etc.) (winter - stiff sole, slot for auto crampons, warm; natural/artificial materials etc.). See the forum, there is already a thread . Emphasis on AT LEAST two pairs, because a long summer tour is not comparable to approaching a "little hill". I don't know why you would carry heavy gojzar boots to Viševnik in summer if you can go in lighter approach shoes... In short, winter boots with stiff sole, slot for auto crampons, warm and comfortable, half size or even a full size larger (toe movement) generally speaking. I won't talk about technical boots for winter alpinism here, because some are allergic to this topic  , anyway you don't even need them.
For more PM, regards Juš
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| ljubitelj gora9. 01. 2012 14:28:19 |
Will classic crampons work on this Alpine boot with a stiff sole?
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| FLEKSARCA9. 01. 2012 14:30:43 |
Damn LG, given the help you obviously have at home, you ask too much online. Come on bro, turn to your bros a bit – I don't know anymore (I believe I'm not the only one), they'll know how to advise.
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| ljubitelj gora9. 01. 2012 14:43:07 |
About boots I'd know more to say, but about crampons-boots less, but I read and classics are totally fine and suitable for these boots with stiff sole. But it seems to me the downside of summer boot is just that you gotta kick on descent, and all soft no real feel in the wall. We'll see tomorrow price in Alpina and how they fit my foot.
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| JusAvgustin9. 01. 2012 14:48:10 |
When you once adjust straps and put crampons on at -20 they won't be so fine anymore... And why skimp on gear, people, God?!
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| ljubitelj gora9. 01. 2012 14:52:37 |
I've experienced this already, what you wrote Juš, it was -10°C. They advise though not to take off gloves when putting on crampons.
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| FLEKSARCA9. 01. 2012 14:58:00 |
May you live a thousand years for us LG , brightening gray days.
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| JusAvgustin9. 01. 2012 15:03:11 |
Tell that to frozen straps...
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| turbo9. 01. 2012 15:23:31 |
Bah, take two hand warmers with you, then who gives a fuck if straps freeze 
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