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| janezs7328. 06. 2026 17:40:14 |
n3jc: from your first pic I cropped the upper part of the ridge and marked the detail I'm interested in - I went in direction of left arrow (which was definitely harder than II for me), but I'm wondering if in direction of right arrow it's any easier?
That's the part that follows the narrow tower below the marked step in the ridge (not seen well on the pic).
Although the snow on your pic 3 confuses me a bit, I think it's not the same detail.
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| lijaneja28. 06. 2026 19:41:03 |
Yes, you kept too far right. I descended from KŠ straight down the middle (nowhere exceeds grade 2) to Prode, from where I climbed to Vrh nad Mužiči. By the way, you caught them nicely in the picture. (Mužiče)
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| janezs7328. 06. 2026 19:57:23 |
I was also thinking about this route, Tone, but in the end I wasn't sure if there might be some harder surprise somewhere, so I said, probably the ridge is the easiest (followed the same advice in Slovenske stene and M&M blogs).
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| lijaneja17. 07. 2026 20:48:35 |
Quite a few years have already passed since the last visit to this mountain, today it just came up again. The tour was planned a bit more ambitiously (to extend via Škrnatarica to Dovški križ and descend past Mali Matterhorn), so we drove to Vrata with the first 'Vandrovec'. The weather was supposed to hold in the morning too, but the responsible ones 'blew' past again. Somewhere in the middle between the saddle Čez Gulce 2257 and the top of Kukova špica, winter rushed in like lightning from a clear sky for about twenty minutes. Rain, wind, hail, darkness, cold in a minute, which I haven't experienced in my mountaineering yet. Luckily I spot a small rock overhang about twenty meters from the path, just enough for two helpless mountain souls. It only soaked our shoes, if it had been under a meter and a half, they would have stayed dry too. Yeah, that was the 'afternoon storm' a few minutes before eight in the morning. When the thunder moved away, we peek out and stride towards the summit. Since new dark clouds were forming in the distance, we decide to abandon the original plan and descend the same way.
More in the pictures though.
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| jbs17. 07. 2026 21:15:33 |
Tone, I don't remember such messed up weather forecasts either... today we went to Triglav with a colleague and we just arrived at Planika still dry, then waited out the weather at Planika from 8h to 10h, when quite a big storm came from the Italian border crossing or two in succession, one a bit before 8h, the other around 9h... only after 10.30 did the weather somehow stabilize, the sun actually shone only around 14h, and in the afternoon there were no storms.
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| lijaneja17. 07. 2026 21:56:48 |
Yes, in Russia they sent such weather forecasters to Kamchatka.
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| Trobec17. 07. 2026 22:32:59 |
Uf, yeah... today's forecast was really off... good that I chose Velko for the pre-shift...
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| dprapr18. 07. 2026 05:58:21 |
Also in the afternoon and evening the forecast for NE Slovenia was a bedtime story!
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| ločanka18. 07. 2026 06:08:29 |
I was also thinking that such inaccurate forecasts are something new. Yesterday we took the train to Kanal to swim in the Soča and watched the increasingly cloudy sky.
At a coffee in Kanal I ask the waitress what these clouds are supposed to mean, and she says, yes it will rain. I told her it wasn't forecast, and she said: yes, it changed .
Of course we then took the first train back and soon after that the rain poured down, that was around half past nine. Then we changed to the car in Podbrdo and followed the puddles all the way to our Loka. Even today I am amazed at such a change in the weather!
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| miri18. 07. 2026 08:00:10 |
Do you still remember, comrades, NNNP?
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| janezs7318. 07. 2026 10:37:28 |
Perhaps some advice on reading weather forecast models:
I typically look at two high-resolution models (ALADIN and ICON-D2) and the models in which these two are embedded (ECMWF and ICON-EU), and if the location of precipitation in 3h time windows differs by much more than the resolution of these models (cca 2km), then it means the atmosphere is in a very unstable state and even a small shift in mixing of air masses at different heights will affect precipitation, which in weather can also mean over 100km away.
Only when the forecasts of the mentioned two models are similar (not necessarily locally the same), we can read them more "literally".
Currently the state of the atmosphere (in models and in reality) is extremely unstable. Each of us who has been going to the mountains for a long time knows what that means.
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| n3jc18. 07. 2026 10:43:54 |
On meteo.si, weather, Mountain world, at the bottom of the table you have indication of atmospheric stability, and also humidity estimates. Moist air and instability mean favorable conditions for thunderstorm formation. If in the afternoon this probability is 95%, in the morning 5%, this does not exclude the possibility of a strong thunderstorm already in the morning - but because the probability that it will be sunny in the morning is high, the forecast shows a sun symbol with a white cloud, but you have to assess the thunderstorm possibility yourself by checking moisture and instability and over the long term build an idea what this means in practice on the terrain you visit (Julians ... Smarna ... Pohorje ...). Well, mountains.
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| Daaam18. 07. 2026 13:22:59 |
A little in defense of all pro and amateur weather forecasters. I read a little about it because I like to follow weather phenomena since I was little. The fact is that our beloved homeland lies geographically in an area where so many variables have to be included in the forecasting models that "there is no god who would know how to put it in". I remember an interview a few years ago, I think it was Gregorčič, when he explained about winter forecasts how a degree of deviation in the forecast (and how easily it can happen) can change the forecast of snow in the lowlands into rain even in the Ljubljana basin, and the reasons why it is difficult to promise concrete forecasts here for more than 5 days. Something similar also happened yesterday and today. #bojan I have a similar experience with a long-deceased neighbor. When I was about 10 years old, he was already around 80. For his/our micro-location, he only looked at two corners in the surroundings and he knew everything about the weather for a day or two. Of course, these experiences of old wise men are tied only to those few square kilometers around their home. To somehow conclude. I also curse them from time to time but realistically speaking I think they try their best and are experts in their field.
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| arta18. 07. 2026 14:21:29 |
On Thursday at 8 pm the weather forecast on TV Slovenija 1 for the mountain world was quite clear- we advise against visiting high mountains on Friday....it is also worth considering n3jcev's advice
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| dprapr18. 07. 2026 16:13:56 |
Given today's temperatures and yesterday's forecast, I have the feeling that the one who still has some control has gone on vacation.
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