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| Trobec26. 08. 2013 21:18:58 |
Given what all is lately crawling around the hills, I'm surprised there aren't even more accidents. Some literally challenge accidents.
For example, 10 days ago, when we were returning from Kokrško sedlo, we met a group of foreigners... one was barefoot with inflamed bloody blisters, one in ballerinas, two in All Stars, only one guy had somewhat decent shoes (not quite proper hiking boots).
Supposedly we have some mountain police (who can issue fines, like on ski slopes). But I wonder where they are, because I've never seen them, although I've been a lot in the hills.
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| Gore12326. 08. 2013 21:44:47 |
Go (Trobec) to Stol, because you'll see mountain police, they do their job nicely, hats off, nice to see them. Regards!
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| ljubitelj gora26. 08. 2013 22:16:01 |
There's no problem what footwear it is, the issue is low footwear isn't okay for hiking in mountains. Abroad no problem, they hike in hills just like various Czechs here, but when accident happens mountain rescue expects some earnings. I always wear gojzarje because of possible injuries. It's about my safety and I know how it is hiking in mountains without gojzarje. I see problem in GRZS and connected to it, because such accidents are always free at the end for someone negligently shod who needed heli for ankle. Probably policeman is always at rescue and everything gets written down why accident happened. Helmet is also necessary. Also in possible slip footwear is important. I think by looking under someone's feet and what they wear you exaggerate, because that's not others' concern, but mountain police is responsible for poor gear otherwise don't judge mountaineers by appearance what they wear, because appearance deceives, someone with all battle gear can get stuck on secured path through Plemenice, someone just with gojzarji and poor old clothes will pass it climb it without any mistake.
Few words on rescue, don't wish rescue becomes paid in Slovenia, maybe you regular visitors will give those 100 euros for insurance, what about others they will get scared...well yeah and if we become Austria 2 those who don't like watching it promise peaceful times.
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| pohodnik3826. 08. 2013 22:45:43 |
Uf, here I have to laugh  for Slovenia to become Austria 2 another 100 years must pass for the people to change or never 
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| JusAvgustin27. 08. 2013 05:40:36 |
Yeah, the guy really can make laugh sometimes. Yesterday still young lad, today already giving advice on expert level.
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| BorisM27. 08. 2013 07:30:07 |
Did he write anything wrong somewhere?
If something isn't right you can correct him, but there's no need to tear him down every time he writes something.
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| Loni27. 08. 2013 10:26:26 |
LG, no problem with footwear, the problem is in mentality.
And I strongly doubt that the mission of GRS is profit, I know too many who do it.
PS Police have already stopped me in the mountains, but they didn't send me home even though I was in low hiking shoes .
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| ljubitelj gora27. 08. 2013 11:31:58 |
@pohodnik38: I aimed at a similar situation as in Austria, where rescue is paid if not properly insured. I assume they don't care what footwear you hike in their mountains with, as it's ultimately too much interfering in others' decisions about what one wears and what one can hike up there with. What limits they have for negligence I don't know, maybe in case of slip in sneakers despite paid Austrian membership one pays costs.
@Juš: On an expert level you made me laugh. Otherwise don't start again
@Loni: I think you didn't read my comment fully. I wrote about GRS Austria and, if transferred to us, everything becomes paid in case of accident. About what GRS does today voluntarily just hats off, as you say. Then follows insurance which surely won't be cheap. Membership could be well over 60 euros, question what about those who go only 1x to Triglav, took the risk, today you go to Triglav without worry if something goes wrong heli takes you to valley. God forbid if any accident happens. I doubt there will be so many going to Triglav uninsured then, if mountain guides, rescuers wouldn't even go for coffee to some Austrian hut. So free rescue now is much better for all, especially those going 1x to mountains to Triglav.
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| IgorZlodej27. 08. 2013 12:17:10 |
Maybe it would be good before writing something off the top of one's head to check the GRZS site a bit: http://www.grzs.si/ especially the GRZS recommendations section, News - accident analyses, where much is evident, also the most common causes of mountain accidents. Regarding insurances it's also more or less clear how things stand. How, for how much and where who insures is an individual's matter according to their activity. But need to consider that insurance checks every case separately and determines possible negligence, which of course it doesn't pay.
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| Loni27. 08. 2013 12:28:53 |
Read it, read it, just I strongly doubt that other rescue services strive for profit too.
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| IgorZlodej27. 08. 2013 12:51:29 |
it wasn't aimed at you @Loni 
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| ljubitelj gora27. 08. 2013 13:00:15 |
OK, speaking off the cuff  , I just gave a reply to previous comments when you wrote that paid rescue would be best because it won't happen anyway.
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| Loni27. 08. 2013 13:46:35 |
Igor, I know, I replied to the post above.
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| Trobec27. 08. 2013 15:34:40 |
@Gore123, in the last 3 years I've been to Stol 3x, 1x even led a trip for our PD, but I haven't seen them. Well, I meant to say there are probably too few, since we have around 9000km of hiking trails in Slovenia if I'm not mistaken.
@LG, regarding looking under feet... surely some Karničar in flip-flops will get to Triglav more safely than an average Hungarian with all mountaineering gear, but usually those improperly shod aren't at all like Karničar, they usually give an impression of considerable inexperience.
I admit it might also be a "professional" deformation and as a mountain guide I even prefer to "look under feet".
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| jprim27. 08. 2013 16:35:40 |
Comment referring to our mountain police, ... about 2 years ago, there was some rescue in KSA, we were on the way through Turski žleb, Turska gora, over Kotliče towards the saddle, and we meet a family in slippers descending along the fixed cables towards us, then a young gentleman in uniform, we were sure he would warn them, but - nothing.
And I think even today there's no big difference.
LP!
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| dprapr27. 08. 2013 17:31:55 |
The easiest is to look under others' feet...
I don't believe we all want police in the mountains too! Maybe set up speed radars!?
The best would be if everyone had to insure themselves, pay for services (hiker or insurance company), and then no one could reproach you or "look under feet"!
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| jprim31. 08. 2013 19:46:17 |
@dprapr
During a bit more demanding walk, one looks under one's own feet and at the same time sees others' feet too, isn't that normal?
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| BorisM1. 09. 2013 11:17:50 |
Apparently it's trendy to take only a mobile phone.
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| ljubitelj gora1. 09. 2013 17:35:39 |
This one, as far as I know, won't be free, due to negligence.
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