Mountaineering Association of Slovenia
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| Guest21. 01. 2008 08:52:03 |
Thanks to all for the messages, please keep giving useful info.
I'll use them and call the societies you listed. Please keep helping with tips. I called PZS too but they said each society handles its own huts workers. Thanks again! Marta
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| Guest21. 01. 2008 10:10:59 |
although two seemingly different topics have developed here now, I would still link to this other debate and join rakar's opinion. although I believe the majority is fine with the current state, rakar's thinking seems balanced to me and not archaic at all. awareness of natural values and their protection for future generations is obviously coming to our consciousness very slowly and it's probably still far from changing our behavior in that light. changing the offer in mountain huts would certainly also cause a change in behavior in the high mountains. I would definitely start by abolishing alcohol. kitchens also seem unnecessary to me. a small tea kitchen seems quite sufficient to me. you can survive a day or two on soup from a bag and spaghetti.
of course now I expect criticism from all those who think there's nothing like beer under the summits.
but still... a little food for thought. as far as I know, mountain huts have different profit taxation than restaurants.
best regards, špela
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| Guest21. 01. 2008 10:41:10 |
I read all the articles and above all I agree with Špela. I too would abolish serving alcohol in the mountains (especially high mountains) also to the hut staff. Sometimes it happens that you don't know who is more drunk in the hut, the staff or the guests. I think that's already a disaster. Where do they find such waste for serving staff!!! Almost everywhere drunkards and drinking parties. Horrible!!!! From my own experience I can tell you that sometimes I was really scared what we would find in the hut. I think women are even more dangerous. Mountaineering associations check what you send to the huts. People complain a lot!!!! Savinjčani
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| Guest21. 01. 2008 11:43:44 |
Every profession brings work, and if you're not prepared for it, then don't go. I wouldn't say that working in a hut is the worst, if the hut keeper likes the work and people, it shows, it's not hard. And I haven't seen any serious drunkards or drinking parties from the staff yet.
Regarding alcohol, but if the mountaineers bring it themselves then, it will be ok? PZS will say something about the non-profitability of the hut, whoever wants to get drunk, will.
There's nothing like a hot meal when you arrive somewhere, and then drink a beer 
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| spoty21. 01. 2008 12:05:55 |
I too am against serving alcohol in mountain huts, especially beer and similar drinks, here only a small schnapps is excepted, which comes in handy in cold weather, of course in limited quantities. As for kitchens, it's right that they exist, because if you're in the mountains for several days, a hot meal comes in handy. I personally don't have bad experiences with hut staff, except maybe some unfriendly words because they're tired of everything, but those who employ should provide suitable staff.
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| Guest21. 01. 2008 12:59:57 |
There must be something to it if so much is talked and written about drunkenness of hut staff!!! Just look at the articles on the web!!!
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| iztok.maltar21. 01. 2008 13:10:44 |
Good that I avoid huts anyway, since it's really bad as they say. If I sleep somewhere, I have my sleeping bag with me, on the first patch of grass, done. If a spruce grows over it, even better.
Otherwise I'm right, whoever wants to drink up there should bring their own booze.
(the biggest SHAME is at the top of Očak, if they still sell there (haven't been up there for a couple of years))
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| Guest21. 01. 2008 20:46:24 |
Come on spoty, beer is unnecessary, schnapps is ok (yeah, sure, to warm up ...). 
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| spoty22. 01. 2008 10:59:25 |
Yes beer is unnecessary, like all alcohol and if you were a real mountaineer you would know that. As far as I'm concerned no schnapps is needed either, but on winter days a sip is useful and I mean a sip, not a whole bottle. And serving should be limited to one small shot. The problem with beer is that it doesn't stop after one bottle. It's true though that you don't meet many drunkards in the high mountains, that's a problem only in huts and lodges that are almost fully accessible by car.
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| Guest22. 01. 2008 11:38:05 |
Well that's why we say the problem in the high mountains is in the huts and lodges. Really among the staff!!! Last season we were twice very, very disappointed in the Kamnik-Savinja Alps. Women stinking of alcohol and serving! Really!!! Check the staff in the high mountains!
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| Guest22. 01. 2008 14:38:35 |
In which huts did you have such bad experiences? I was disappointed last year with the hut at Korošica because of the awful tea and coffee, so I didn't risk food.
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| Guest22. 01. 2008 15:17:27 |
Komna - a sensible drunken group really livened up our night two years ago.
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| andrej76722. 01. 2008 15:34:27 |
I agree that at Korošica they are not exactly an example for good coffee or tea, and the beer they had was so boiled that I thought it was Union. 
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| andrej76722. 01. 2008 15:43:12 |
It's true that most of you criticize serving alcohol and the staff, but I don't agree with that. Most people deserve a little beer or refosk after a finished hike, either in the sun or in the hut. Of course good jota or ričet with sausage goes well with it. The fun comes by itself - packet soup should be for those who don't make time for themselves. As for carrying alcoholic drinks with you, I'm strongly against it - first beer won't be cold, and second many then throw away cans along the path (empty ones so no misunderstanding), as well as bottles, so let them have barrels in stock in the huts and there will be less trash along the paths. It's always about the culture of the person heading to the mountains. n
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| andrej76722. 01. 2008 15:52:27 |
Personally, serving alcoholic drinks in huts doesn't bother me, much more uncultured behavior to me is throwing away various packaging and cigarette butts along the paths, which is especially ugly and more dangerous than if some grandpa gets a bit drunk in the "high mountains".
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| Guest22. 01. 2008 16:32:12 |
That they throw away empty cans isn't entirely true. I myself found a full beer can on the way to Korošica. Keep it up.
Of course I'm against throwing away empty cans.
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| andrej76722. 01. 2008 16:38:51 |
On Gorenjska you won't manage that ...
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| geppo22. 01. 2008 17:16:32 |
Probably didn't throw it away - the incompetent lost it!!
LP
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| Guest22. 01. 2008 20:08:19 |
I hope you returned the full beer can to the owner. Lp Franc
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| Guest23. 01. 2008 09:26:33 |
A drunken group also livened up our night in the hut in the Kamnik-Savinja Alps. The staff also helped party hard!!! I think they'll read this and think about it!! I won't name the hut; if necessary, I'll do that too, but not over the internet, but directly to the PD. Lojze
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