Mountaineering Association of Slovenia
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| Guest23. 01. 2008 11:14:52 |
In the hut you pay for the accommodation service. If drunks deprive you of sleep, in the morning you complain about the service and don't pay it or pay less adequately according to the duration of the racket. The consumer protection law also applies in the mountains.
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| Guest23. 01. 2008 11:48:35 |
How can you tell them you won't pay full for the services, because the staff probably won't admit it, since they actively joined in until early morning hours.
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| Guest23. 01. 2008 12:06:41 |
When I read the comments, it looks like in the huts they only get drunk, make noise, smash things... and I can't help but write my thoughts. Over 30 years I've been hiking mountains: high and low. I've experienced all sorts: some drinking too, in more distant times they often sang nicely (at least I hope it sounded that way). More or less, after 10 pm peace reigned. Next morning had to get up early. Now I really don't use sleeping in huts much, but as much as I do, it's not that desperate. There are individuals who think they can do whatever they want in this dear world and probably behave the same in the valley. But a lot depends on the warden to cut off the rowdiness and such. So to those brave ones who have the desire and will to work in huts, go for it boldly. And I'm glad someone still wants to. A little shot after a good hike is just right. Good luck to all on all paths and besides the snack, pack a good dose of tolerance in the backpack. And of course good mood. Good luck! MiR
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| Guest23. 01. 2008 13:27:14 |
How to cut it off if he himself joins in!!! Lojze
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| andrej76723. 01. 2008 21:36:54 |
Maybe that happens too but you all criticize too much how wardens get drunk with guests and you suffer ... these are rare cases but you keep spinning how bad it is. Drinks aren't served after 22h as far as I know and on shared bunks a snorer is much more annoying than someone who fell asleep well after 4 beers. 
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| Guest24. 01. 2008 11:47:42 |
I don't know why there are so many dissatisfied people.Leave your problems at home, and it will be nicer in the mountains and in alpine huts too. Best, Franc
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| Guest24. 01. 2008 12:32:41 |
What's wrong if a person shares their problems. If something's wrong somewhere, it's right to point it out a bit so it doesn't continue, because it's a shame for people to go under like that. Because 3 to 4 months in mountains isn't a piece of cake. Alojz
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| Guest24. 01. 2008 21:50:18 |
To Andrej - exactly those with 4 beers snore the loudest!!! But let this remark not be a reason to continue the "discussion" in this style.
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| Guest25. 01. 2008 07:56:37 |
Whoever wants, let them give up the silly vow. Tolerance and a bit of adaptability!
In the mountains it's really nice, "trouble makers" should watch their step.
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| Guest25. 01. 2008 14:10:46 |
I can tell Mrs. Marta that they're looking for a warden for the hut at Vogar and the hut at Okrešelj.
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| Guest29. 01. 2008 07:17:56 |
Thank you for the messages about which huts need manpower. If I had known such debates would develop, I would never have asked for help. Regards Marta
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| Guest29. 01. 2008 12:06:44 |
What's wrong if almost everything about behavior in huts is true. You have to overnight a bit more often somewhere to hear gossips among staff. Sit a bit with the hutkeeper, and you learn everything over glasses of wine etc. True, true!!!!!!! Alojz
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| Guest29. 01. 2008 18:51:32 |
When one comes from mountains tired just right and possibly alone, it's nice to dive into the forum. Conversation liberates and enriches. It's like psychotherapy for those who need it.... additional catharsis on top of that up there.lp
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| geppo29. 01. 2008 21:09:35 |
Marta, you really sparked an incredible debate - sadly it's like this!! I think we can keep posting for weeks, won't change anything! Situation stays as is and really, this describing experiences in some huts could stop. More people visit mountains bringing habits, caretakers too succumb to influences of hut visitors. Stay home, avoid huts, suffer, adapt - won't change much! Spirit will worsen a bit - some stick to habits from >old mountain visitors< respect nature preserve it hope our example fixes and teaches those you wrote about - interesting response!!!
LP
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| Guest30. 01. 2008 11:12:18 |
Oh, it can be changed. Especially if PD has more control over huts. Unannounced visits would be very welcome, believe me, staff in huts sometimes gets scared when they realize a responsible person comes to overnight. Even happier if they pack in afternoon and go to valley. Associations need more control over huts and lodges, real crisis. Too much booze!!!!! Alojz
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| Guest30. 01. 2008 11:41:55 |
Geppo bravo! I fully agree with you. Huts where I don't feel good, I simply avoid. A snack from the backpack is good even right on the mountain top or at the goal, just grass or rock under the butt and not a bench. And usually the view is even better. I will still nostalgically remember the times when we went to the hills in velvet pumparice, those heavy gojzarji were on our feet and the keepers were a totally different story. No unfriendly keeper in a hut can take that from me. I carry that with me. And one more thing: those who swear by stricter control of PD or PZS are a bit mistaken. I fear there will be no effect: whoever wants to booze will do it. It is up to us how we behave, what we do and why we go to the mountains. Good luck to everyone! MiR
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| Guest30. 01. 2008 13:34:46 |
Yes MiR, keepers and keeperesses were really from another story back then. Now only real trash goes to work in huts. Here and there one finds an OK one, but they invite him only for one season anyway, because then he's in the way, they find some reason to get rid of him. There are more such cases, I know quite a few. If someone different is in the work team in the hut, the drunks attack him anyway and soon psychologically destroy him, so he's forced to withdraw. Orderly ones and non-drinkers simply don't fit into the work environment in huts and lodges.
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| Rakar30. 01. 2008 14:42:15 |
Uh, I'm afraid (and hope the opposite!), that we took all the joy from Mrs. Marta, scared her good and finally, in the previous post (maybe unintentionally), classified her among "trash" too. It seems to me that such generalizing just isn't right!? If one is already harshly criticizing, then it's best to write concretely (hut, person, event, ...) and add what we don't do here - sign with name and surname. Only then (maybe!?) can we expect measures from the organs of the relevant PD.
Once again, I advocate as modest an offer as possible in huts (especially in high mountain ones), individual cases prove that even in current conditions it's possible to assemble an excellent keeper team.
How we ourselves will influence the happenings in huts and on mountain trails is up to us, as MiR says. Above all, I wish us positive actions and thoughts - even in the valley!
Lp
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| andrej76730. 01. 2008 17:09:21 |
Some of you obviously ALWAYS have problems in huts whether with keepers or with loud guests and all the drunks hanging at the bar until the lights go out. Maybe your stations are between 400m and 600m because boozers can't walk much higher for booze. Remember this: MORE CONTROL also brings less peace and freedom - and when you bash everyone around like this, you'll soon start regretting why you take kids to the mountains when they are too playful and loud etc. No worry, before the end there will surely be a FINGER pointing at you too, even though you are the best raised and the best hikers. LP and hike safely.
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| Guest31. 01. 2008 08:51:38 |
When reading these comments I get the feeling that mountain huts will soon be empty. First there will be no keepers and second, where there are, there will be no visitors. If it continues like this we can convert all huts into bivouacs where we will be our own masters.
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