New Year's Eve on Kredarica (Triglav)
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| Kobra 11. 01. 2010 20:20:26 |
Exactly as Igor wrote .... and as some of us have already discussed or warned before !!!!
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| miri1. 01. 2010 20:30:46 |
Hello. Have the criteria for rescue in the mountains changed? Again there's debate about the price that someone will have to be charged. Have we already forgotten the Mangart accident and the debate about rescue costs? And, interestingly, the same writers.
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| viharnik1. 01. 2010 20:50:07 |
In this rescue due to headless, uncoordinated, irresponsible behavior, the main issue is endangering the lives of dedicated rescuers, their own, and finally due to the carelessness of hikers towards approaching the tour execution also unnecessary wasting of state money.
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| BT881. 01. 2010 21:32:02 |
 up there they should have left the idiots to freeze
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| miri1. 01. 2010 21:41:31 |
@BT.A, are you by chance dad? I hope not and that you never will be.
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| BT881. 01. 2010 21:46:08 |
Hey, listen, MIRI daddy, if you maybe have a son and a buddy who is a GRS rescuer and they call him at night to go rescue ....... do you think the weather for the mountains is overestimated like abroad and we'll see in what weather they'll be staggering in sneakers on our hills with foreigners vomiting
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| BT881. 01. 2010 22:13:09 |
Definition of experience is relative as this case shows. Experienced mountaineer or alpinist who has done first aid course, mountain movement, leading, how to manage in given situation etc. I think those instructors from us fully demand to manage in given situation easiest by calling ...
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| andymann1. 01. 2010 23:23:33 |
GRS could be like AMZS. You pay annual membership and get one rescue for free.
If not a member, you pay. If GRS announces conditions unsuitable for high mountains visit, you pay, even if a member.
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| rok862. 01. 2010 08:15:17 |
BT88! That's now again the "worn out" phrase sneakers that people hang onto. Otherwise everyone who is or wants to become GRS knows what awaits him!
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| totalcek2. 01. 2010 08:33:40 |
I think everything has been said, but anyway I can't help commenting. That a person rushes to Kredarica in such weather is crazy even if so experienced and whatever. I feel they went up just for New Year's Eve on Kredarica, since some wrote on the forum they'd go despite bad forecast. So they ruined holidays for those people who have to risk their lives because of such feats. Lucky it ended as it did, hope their urge for such feats is gone for at least two or three days.
Happy 2010...
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| JusAvgustin2. 01. 2010 10:17:39 |
I think we are obliged to help a person in distress, although the "trend" lately is to turn head away and walk on. I'm sure if someone in the hut knew what was happening, they'd trigger a rescue action and poor people wouldn't need to bivouac 200m below the hut. But conditions were really bad, and dry avalanche snow. Yeah, they got away well... regarding comments, hehe, nice to hear you again
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| heinz2. 01. 2010 10:39:10 |
I'm not really an "experienced" hiker, nor very old in mountains and hills, but it's more than clear to me not to venture through Kot in these conditions, -not even with best gear, courses, badges, stickers etc.
I think it's a bit of a shame for the one who stated the guys and girl were "experienced". In my opinion they have no clue, just full of theory, common sense -not at all.
Similar to such a ripe apple that's just before falling from the tree..
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| Gorska rožica2. 01. 2010 10:39:11 |
Waste of time for comment ...whatever it is, good it ended safely..... Better tell where tomorrow higher..?? towards Gorenjska ... HAPPY 2010 TO ALL !!
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| šerpa2. 01. 2010 10:42:42 |
For "poor" people this bivouac is the only school and "divine punishment" that maybe made them smarter so next time they don't bash head through wall. And besides themselves endanger rescuers etc.
People in misfortune definitely need to be helped with best abilities, but that they had "misfortune" (read luck), doesn't absolve them at all from responsibility for their stupid actions.
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| heinz2. 01. 2010 10:52:58 |
and now their "experience" is supposedly confirmed by the fact that they knew how to make a bivouac, and that, as I read somewhere, they only asked the mountain rescuers from Mojstrana for advice..
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| Miha812. 01. 2010 11:13:56 |
Hello,
I have to say we had a great time. Those of us who went from Krma didn't have any special problems. What bothered me most was the rain at the beginning of the path and later towards Kredarica poor visibility and wind. (It took me about 4 and a half hours)
The next day in the morning the conditions improved a lot, so some of us climbed to the top of Triglav and we even caught some sunshine at the top.
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| Miha812. 01. 2010 11:24:40 |
I wrote earlier about the NEW YEAR'S EVE ascent. We descended on the first day of this year, most of us a little before 12pm and as far as I know without problems. GOOD LUCK AND MANY NICE MOMENTS IN THE MOUNTAINS IN 2010.
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| alfaromeo1552. 01. 2010 12:18:40 |
I personally think that without such extremes there wouldn't be achievements like these and if they mess up they are idiots if they succeed they are kings come on people think a bit about what you're saying if they mess up they need help you have probably crashed your car already and consider yourselves experienced or should we leave you the second time and drive by thinking look amateurs who are bleeding
regards
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| šodrovec2. 01. 2010 12:39:15 |
That in questionable conditions it's better not to push to Kredarica, especially not through Kot and least of all in the afternoon ... yes, and if you do push, you endanger not only yourself but also potential rescuers ... you terrify your loved ones and the rescuers' loved ones ... We know that now. We also know that when it happens, whatever happens, it's good to be properly equipped (for bivouac, ...) and react smartly (call GRS and wait safely). If GRS says the boys' and girls' reaction was relatively appropriate, then I believe it - I have no better source. All this, with our comments, can be one (for us) free mountain lesson and nothing more.
An addition to this lesson would be if we learned about any final financial consequences of launching such an intervention. And it would be good to read the justification for both cases: if the rescue bill is issued or even (!) if the bill is not issued. Namely, most people ultimately act based on others' experiences ... Whether good or bad.
I see the dilemma that arises when the "victim" doesn't want rescue from GRS (just advice), but GRS intervenes anyway and then "charges" (I know not GRS itself!) the intervention (helicopter part). GRS is of course under pressure from its doctrine (written or unwritten), moral pressures (on itself) from the deciding action leader (constant weighing of danger to victims vs. danger to rescuers) and very likely also pressure from the "victims'" relatives. Especially in case of non-action, a heavy sword (even heavier) hangs over GRS - for cases where the final outcome of (in)action is not happy.
And one more egoistic (?) opinion on the remnant of socialism, which is the "free" (and voluntary) mountain rescue. I support it. Why? Because I never want a couple thousand euros (or a million annually, or a euro from my pocket into the air) to decide about anyone's life, even if they made the mistake themselves! Of course, some "mistakes" are such (those that insurers wouldn't cover either), which should be precisely defined and sanctioned in advance - I'm not that benevolent.
HAPPY 2010!
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