Peaks above Soriška planina
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| anica.zu17. 10. 2021 12:50:25 |
I was also there yesterday on these peaks. Wonderful - for soul and body - and autumn wrapped in gold.
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| jprim17. 10. 2021 21:50:45 |
Regarding Soriska, one could add a stinging remark.
Was in this area 14 days ago.
Kovinarska hut and around it, pure shame of our mountain tourism.
Lp!
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| pohodnik1117. 10. 2021 22:11:49 |
@jprim - where were you 14 days ago? In Krma or at Soriska pl.? As far as I know, there is no Kovinarska hut at the latter?
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| iztok196018. 10. 2021 07:43:27 |
True, pohodnik11, it's Litostrojska though, maybe a slip-up?
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| jprim18. 10. 2021 09:10:37 |
Well yeah, I know where Kovinarska hut is, but I also overlooked that it's Litostrojska, which they've sadly let fall into ruin.
And then the ad "For Sale". Yeah, who would buy that crumbling hut, still unfinished in one phase.
Regards!
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| Swiss24. 12. 2021 08:15:47 |
Hello!
Sorry! But I have to chime in. It's not fair to walk on ski tourers' tracks, because crampons catch in holes and skis slip, leading to falls. How many times has this been written about. Often hikers are considerate and make their own trail next to the ski track, living in symbiosis, which I find commendable.
Regards Swiss and stay safe!
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| Lunatixz24. 12. 2021 08:48:39 |
Swiss,
You could take a minute to actually look at the pictures. Both (as a good example to others) used snowshoes, which basically don't ruin a well-packed track - if everyone used them, the world would be much better.
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| Enka24. 12. 2021 13:58:26 |
Bagi, nice to meet you both (and get to know you). The bare patches we saw from the parking lot worried us a bit too, but actually everywhere suitable for snowshoes, which we also didn't take off anywhere.
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| bagi24. 12. 2021 17:14:09 |
@Enka ... thanks likewise. Nice to chat 
@Swiss ... I understand the troubles of ski tourers with holed tracks, so a view from my side.
Don't equate hole-makers and snowshoers. Snowshoes have at least five times more surface area than boots and cause minimal sinking of the track. This certainly doesn't hinder skiers' progress in any way. We usually put on snowshoes at the start of the tour for greater walking comfort, and use ski tracks where for various reasons it doesn't make sense to make our own trail. That's it.
At the same time, we wish you and all other forum participants happy holidays and as many mountaineering pleasures as possible in the coming year .
Emil and Mateja
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| Daaam26. 12. 2021 14:32:40 |
What if ski tourers pull their track along the normal hiking ascent path? It's illusory to expect the trail untouched and hikers to go a meter aside, which is often impossible. Debates about this have become downright ridiculous. Fact is, after snowfall to ski areas, tourers "break" first and only then hikers. In some cases we simply have to coexist, in others we easily go our own ways. Of course, hikers could avoid ski tracks many times too.. it's never all black and white. Just so you know- in winter I go to the mountains on foot and also on skis.
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| dprapr26. 12. 2021 15:04:04 |
Well written.
Some think only they know how to ski and belittle everyone else. As if that track is theirs, even though in most cases they didn't make it themselves.
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| mukica27. 12. 2021 06:48:22 |
I completely agree with the previous two. If possible I avoid the ski track and sometimes almost despair when I sink, how much easier it would be to walk on it. But it happens that you simply can't do otherwise, because touring skiers also find it easiest to walk on the packed trail and thus use the footpath. Hole punchers should push into the slope or below it
My opinion is that there is enough space for everyone and with a bit of tolerance-adjustment we all have a great time where we love to be
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| _sandra_27. 12. 2021 11:04:21 |
I agree with you Martina, wherever possible every normal hiker avoids walking on the ski track. But we have to realize that these are marked mountain trails and neither side can/may claim ownership. Usually it's those who didn't pull the ski track themselves who complain, but it bothers them because it slips due to holes from hikers.. a bit unrealistic to expect the so-called "hole punchers" to stay home all winter so skiers won't slip
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| Lunatixz27. 12. 2021 11:48:55 |
I can give a good example that's quite indicative for all more crowded routes. With buddies at the beginning of December after one snowfall we were the first to pull the track to Viševnik and except for a few short sections it ran of course in the area of the summer trail except the top part where it zigzagged completely independently. But that "summer trail area" is continuously wider than 1.5m-2m, so a hiker could easily walk 30-40cm left or right.
What do you think happened? The next day we went back there and the track was completely postholed, even in the top part where it zigzagged on the slope.
No one expects hikers and skiers to share the track/gaz on those short sections where parallel track and path really aren't possible - but such sections are honestly extremely few. That in my view doesn't justify someone for completely selfish reasons (it's just a bit easier for him) postholing the entire track from the car to the top and thus taking away part of the pleasure from all other skiers, while increasing effort and slip risk.
Most sad is when because of holes we make a new/other parallel track, but sooner or later it's also postholed - probably intentionally, because otherwise I really see no reason. As I mentioned above, the world would be much better if hikers in such conditions used snowshoes - hikers themselves would profit most, because walking sinking to your ass is really tiring and far from enjoyment.
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| Daaam27. 12. 2021 13:03:24 |
Viševnik a couple days after snowfall is always churned up like a fresh field.. like looking for a piece of beach just for yourself in Portorož on a nice August day.
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| Lunatixz27. 12. 2021 13:11:06 |
I see you deliberately omitted the key message of the reply to your first comment above - I suggest you both read it again, maybe you'll understand. On the other hand I get it, if someone doesn't want to understand, they won't.
And no, no one wants a piece of beach just for themselves, but that motorbikers and cyclists "ride" each on their own part, when next to the roadway (which tourers create with the track) there's also a bike lane available (of course under snow until someone tramples it).. if you like analogies so much. And yes, Portorož is an excellent example of how in an organized environment all "traffic participants" can enjoy
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| dprapr27. 12. 2021 13:17:32 |
Viševnik is really a good example of coexistence between hikers and touring skiers.
Now someone will demand no crowds on this hill. That access is allowed only for the initiated. For those who walk left and right. But downhill never, really never, cross their access track.
Nice day to all, hikers and touring skiers. Today I already enjoyed my share of the snow pie.
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| _sandra_27. 12. 2021 13:33:17 |
@Lunatixz - I totally get you, for the first track you could expect a hiker to go on it, but if there's a parallel one next to it, no excuse. Personally it also bothers me that people walk on the gaz even downhill and mess up good steps, even though they have more than enough space left and right.. so skiers aren't the only ones with problems
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