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silvo195221. 09. 2019 19:39:38
When I was at Pogačnikov dom a week ago, the path to Pihavec was closed due to active landslide.
I pose the question: is the path safe or only for adventurers?
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djimuzl21. 09. 2019 22:17:50
I don't know what's the point of choosing exactly one of the twenty that PZS has closed due to objective danger, out of 10000 km of marked paths (and who knows how many unmarked) that we have here...
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mukica22. 09. 2019 07:05:44
We returned via the marked path, there was no notice at the top that the path is closed, we watched what was happening under the wall, we knew there was danger and safely descended to Pogačnikov dom. At the junction for Pihavec there was a sign warning of an active landslide, but no sign about the path being closed.
No point in choosing the closed path, but it's logical to descend from somewhere on the mountain and the marked one is the easiest mežikanje and you make a nice loop jezik
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djimuzl22. 09. 2019 09:37:29
It's also logical that there's no notice at the top, because the closed path is the only marked one.
And it would be logical for an experienced mountaineer like you to check the path conditions before the tour, especially if you know about the danger on it.
PZS informs about the closure of this path in addition to the landslide, and it's also pointed out on the same forum about current conditions, where you posted about the hiked path. And it would also be logical to - if nothing else - warn at least about the landslide in that post. Enjoyment can come later.
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dprapr22. 09. 2019 11:12:17
You can enjoy every path. Just good mood (sometimes suitable company), a bit of knowledge and experience is needed. I don't know why some of you are so bothered if someone steps on a "closed" path.
Those who lead groups up there probably won't look for path info here. Others visit the mountains at their own risk anyway and many don't need paths ("open or closed") at all.
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djimuzl22. 09. 2019 11:58:11
Drago, we all visit mountains at our own risk, on marked paths, trails, off-trail and walls.
The Alpine Association doesn't "close" paths without reason and I don't know why we shouldn't follow their instructions. There are almost countless other options, but for some the challenge is obviously walking on closed paths.
Bad example, especially if in a post on the "Current conditions" page about conditions exactly on that critical section of the path you don't write a single word. And there are many such cases of ignoring closed paths and posting about it on such forums and social networks and - with some exceptions - they are all the smartest when explaining reasons for such behavior. Once again - there are 10000 km of marked paths in Slovenia.
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dprapr22. 09. 2019 14:19:01
If you join an organized group or hire a guide, surely someone else is responsible for you.zmeden If in such a case you had to sign that you go at your own risk, then thanks but no thanks for such an offer.
As for "closed" paths, those who made and maintain these paths are obliged to inform about their condition. Why should someone else who went on that path and "enjoyed" there burden themselves with that. It has been written countless times that the information here is not authoritative due to subjectivity. Many of these would walk there even if there was no path made.
And let's leave those who are still willing to post something (and that with enthusiasm about the experienced day) in peace.
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djimuzl22. 09. 2019 16:37:39
OK, regarding responsibility I didn't consider organized groups. But most people who inquire about path conditions on these pages are those going to the mountains on their own, or am I wrong?

And - read about conditions on alpine paths on PZS pages, the posts here are only for enthusiastic hikers? zmeden Their posts aren't authoritative anyway... In the end mine isn't either...
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lino22. 09. 2019 18:33:32

Mukica has so much mountain mileage and hiked mountain paths that she surely wouldn't lead her two friends into any danger. In pictures 10 and 13 you can see so much joy that I can only say - keep enjoying!
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redbull22. 09. 2019 19:08:56
Marty, Tonyka, Darchy perfect tour
Good luck
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mukica23. 09. 2019 06:01:02
Sometimes it's really better not to post, some get annoyed by every post... they look for flaws and trifles, as if they were perfect themselvescool

Bad days are coming, I wish you many beautiful paths and safe returnsnasmeh
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djimuzl23. 09. 2019 08:36:39
Instead of reflecting that maybe I don't speak nonsense and that maybe not everything was okay with using the mentioned path and accepting criticism as a natural part of conversation - you rather labeled me as a petty nuisance who gets bothered by every post. Nice. Enjoy these days and paths as well.
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Fikret23. 09. 2019 15:58:18

Djimuzl too is capable, given his EGO, of taking a step back. I do admit though that his warning was spot on, well-intentioned and correct.
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Tomaž1120. 06. 2020 23:06:35
From Vrata via Luknja to Pihavec. Didn't find the memorial plaque, so I bushwhacked my own way up one gully and grass to the top. Return via south side through grass back to Luknja and start. Left my ice axe at ca 2000m and it stayed there...If anyone finds it, keep it as a memento velik nasmeh or leave it therenasmeh. More in the pics.
At the top of Pihavec1
Aljažev dom v Vratih2
Vrat Valley3
View towards Sovatna4
towards luknja5
View back6
Already soon from Luknja upwards I met the first one....7
...and then two more show up :)8
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They like each other :)10
no comment11
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I continue and they just don't end :)14
Korita15
Kapitalc16
Somewhere here I found the gully and then to the left17
view downwards18
Already at the top....the book is still from 2007 :)19
Spodnje Kriško Lake with backdrop20
a little closer21
Stenar and Bovški Gamsovec22
Pogačnikov dom at Kriških podih23
Towards Trenta24
I'm already back, view towards Kanjavec25
That's where I came from...26
Already near Luknja27
He didn't notice me :)28
Beautiful terraces29
View also towards Sfinga30
It smelled so good that I had to stop31
And in the late afternoon it even cleared up :)32
Even in the morning there weren't many more visitors...33
I'll stop here too... Peričnik waterfall34
185... where did everyone go :)35
Bistrica36
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mukica21. 06. 2020 06:06:51
Congrats Tomaž...weather wasn't the best, but the tour was awesooooomenasmeh
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zlatica21. 06. 2020 07:54:21
Nice tour, beautiful pics that offer plenty of enjoyment and memories when viewing. velik nasmeh
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Tomaž1121. 06. 2020 09:35:09
Thanks Martina and zlatica, it really was a nice tour, sometimes even that kind of weather makes the tour even nicernasmeh.
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ljubitelj gora5. 07. 2020 10:34:21
Sunrise on Pihavec, above Luknja (dry), in the gully two short II-degree jumps down towards Pogačnik hut and Sovatna. Snowfield below secured path, crampons/ice axe.
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crawled for a while between the wall and snowfield then had no choice but to descend the snowfield, steps were smaller.10
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ljubitelj gora7. 07. 2020 08:29:26
Path Pogačnik hut-Pihavec closed for years, the landslide itself not above the path. Winter gear mandatory, crampons/ice axe.
Another pic:
The landslide is top right, the path goes bottom left1
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pg30. 09. 2021 10:04:06
It's true I rarely report on ascents in our hills - especially since they seldom bring novelty to the forum - but given that reports on Pihavec ascents are lonely this year, and the peak itself much less visited lately, I'll treat myself to a slightly longer report this time.

Last Sunday during a stressful period (especially as lazier students got even more used to relaxed Covid-time approach :tonguenasmeh) at the end of September I wanted a shorter, less ambitious outing, so headed to Pihavec, one of the last peaks above Kriški podi left in my collection (excluding the brr ridge between Goličica and Planja). Original traverse plan via lonelier route fizzled due to conditions, substitute was nice though. Description probably known to many, no harm providing it for a curious follower.

In the morning with companion who accompanied me to Luknja saddle, among numerous hikers heading to Triglav or Kriški podi, parked in Vrata and walked to the pass, where sunny morning was replaced by quite dense fog and strong wind gusts. Continued solo and despite poor visibility, when fog was only occasionally blown away by a stronger gust of wind, reached the famous gully in the west wall of Vrh nad Kamnom without major orientation problems, where Tina Mihelič, great Julian Alps expert, ended her life. Gully offers the most elegant crossing of the wall, but quite demanding - one few-meter passage requires climbing good II grade (guide states even II-III, which is too much here), the rest easier but still steep. For return on the same path, less experienced ones should not forget to take a piece of rope.
From gully continued on steep precipitous grasses and followed logical ascent course on grasses and scree between Pihavec and Vrh nad Kamnom, a bit below the Čez Kamen notch also spotted two lonely cairns. Near the notch joined the upper part of the marked path and easily reached spacious Pihavec summit.
No views on the lonely peak nor proper alpine atmosphere could be conjured, but occasionally Triglav and Razor group revealed above the fog. Before heading back, a guy surprised me - and I him - who supposedly had not experienced a visit here yet. Well, a look in the logbook showed that visits are not (anymore) so rare and that even that day we were not the only ones.

Based on assurances of the mountaineer I met and log entries suggesting passability of the path, from the notch I headed down the (still) marked path (original intent was descent via pathless south ridge over M. Pihavec to pl. Zajavor, but had to abandon due to very poor visibility and strong wind). Protections in upper descent part from notch partly damaged, but where really needed (crossing vertical jump secured with steps and cable) function satisfactorily; on the other hand terrain truly collapsed and ascent on this path in given conditions deadly dangerous. If at all, when descending solo where we can control the situation, use it only for descent, even better to avoid it until possible repair/reopening; given the route and broken terrain I doubt the latter is really worthwhile.

After descent over large scree field continued on easier pathless terrain under Bovški Gamsovec ridge to Dovška vratca (2180 m). Then it fully cleared up and I couldn't help but climb back up nearby Bovški Gamsovec for the trademark views and in good 20 minutes stood on the summit. On the way met quite a few hikers, on summit enjoyed and photographed wonderful views - with now fully clear view of Triglav north face - and was back at Dovška vratca in less than an hour; this time did not descend the otherwise very nice, already known path to Luknja but, since afternoon obligations were already urging me, quickly descended over Sovatna. In an hour and a half was in the car and heading back in weather hinting at possible evening precipitation.

Although the outing was meant as an easier tour after some more ambitious paths abroad, it turned out to be an interesting little tour in quite wild surroundings, even though located near Triglav promenades.
Panorama view from Bovški Gamsovec1
Ascent towards Luknja saddle I.2
Ascent towards Luknja saddle II.3
Ascent towards Luknja saddle III.: view back4
At Luknja (1759 m)5
View towards Plemenice, over which some hikers were finally ascending that day6
After a short ascent on the marked path to Bovški Gamsovec we cross left over the scree at an obvious spot7
Crossing the grass on the path to the larger upper scree8
Large scree below Z stena of Vrha nad Kamnom is easiest crossed via ledges on the left. Left gully/chimney with memorial plaque to Mihelič9
One of the few cairns on the path10
The access Mihelič gully/chimney is quite demanding (passing the jammed boulder is good II, poor holds, higher up then easier)11
View down the gully, which does not convey an appropriate impression of the difficulty12
Higher up the gully narrows. In principle we can continue through it, easier but a bit more orientationally complicated is to bypass it via the steep grass on the left13
Crossing the narrow scree to the left14
Ascent via grasslands, scree and easier climbable scree towards the notch Čez Kamen (2331 m) I.15
Ascent via grasslands, scree and easier climbable scree towards the notch Čez Kamen (2331 m) II.16
Ascent via grasslands, scree and easier climbable scree towards the notch Čez Kamen (2331 m) III.17
Škrbina Čez Kamen (2331 m). Here we cross the platform and join the marked path18
Easier ascent along the marked path over the crumbling slope I.19
Easier ascent along the marked path over the crumbling slope II.20
Pihavec - occasional views I.21
Pihavec - occasional views II.22
Pihavec - occasional views III.23
Descent towards the notch Čez Kamen24
Passage through broken terrain in the upper part of the descent along the marked path. Broken protections for the descender are not a problem here, but his descent is potentially deadly for the ascender.25
Vertical descent over a well-protected jump I.26
Vertical descent over a well-protected jump II.: look back27
Solid scree leading to the transverse path on Kriški podi28
Wildlife along the path I.29
Wildlife along the path II.30
View towards Kriški podi from near Dovška vrata (2180 m)31
Partly demanding ridge of Bovški Gamsovec32
Ascent to Bovški Gamsovec I.33
Ascent to Bovški Gamsovec II.34
Ascent to Bovški Gamsovec III.: look back35
Ascent to Bovški Gamsovec IV.: look towards the summit36
View from the ridge towards Stenar and Škrlatica37
Just below the summit BG38
Summit of Bovški Gamsovec (2392 m) I.: view towards Stenar and the Škrlatica group39
Summit of Bovški Gamsovec (2392 m) II.: clear view towards the Triglav north face40
Summit of Bovški Gamsovec (2392 m) II.: view towards Pihavec41
Peak of Bovški Gamsovec (2392 m) II.: view towards Spodnje Kriško jezero and mountains above Kriški podi42
Easy descent towards the transverse SPP path a few dozen meters below the summit43
view back towards the summit44
Descent towards Dovška vrata I.45
Descent towards Dovška vrata II.46
Descent towards Dovška vrata III.47
Fast descent along Sovatna I.48
Fast descent along Sovatna II.49
View of the Triglav north face during descent50
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