TNP and environmental burdens
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| PinaColada4Eva23. 06. 2011 18:29:49 |
Hello mountain lovers,
In my diploma thesis I'm researching environmental burdens caused by people's movement in Triglav National Park (hiking, excursionism, mountaineering, alpinism, mountain biking, driving heavy motorcycles (e.g. over Vršič), air traffic, car traffic...
I need as many photos as possible:
- dumping trash in nature
- trash dumps near mountain huts
- damage to vegetation, erosion (new paths made next to existing paths and trails)
- crowds, mass events, "partying"
- traffic (popular motorcyclist "squadrons" over Vršič)
- parking vehicles in wrong places,
- cycling, downhill and driving popular quads OUTSIDE designated paths
- damage to signs and markings
- camping, picnics, fires in prohibited areas
- low flights of helicopters, powered gliders...
- bathing in high-mountain lakes.....
- pollution of high-mountain lakes
If you've encountered any of the listed on your paths in TNP or anything that "bothered" you and captured it with photos, I heartily ask you to send me some photo proof. Besides photos I need your full name, where and when they were taken, so your copyrights can be respected.
Your opinions and experiences in this area are also welcome.
Thank you very much 
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| sabotin23. 06. 2011 20:14:37 |
Congratulations on the bold idea, and I wish you lots of success with your task, as you will contribute to better conditions in TNP. I'm sending you photos I took on 1.1.11 at Krnsko jezero - they are the result of organized New Year's Eve in mountains.
If I notice something similar on next tours, I'll gladly send them to you.
http://www.hribi.net/trenutnerazmere.asp?slo=1&gorovjeid=10001&id=3207&stran=1
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| viharnik23. 06. 2011 20:43:26 |
Some guidelines on TNP violations I sent via private message; about trash, building new roads to pastures, drunkenness and rowdiness in huts where animals suffer, lack of warning signs in TNP, unarranged parking lots or none at all, New Year's fires and throwing rockets in mountains, MTB riding from mountain tops, camping in valleys, bathing in high alpine lakes, picking protected flowers, killing wild animals and cooking goulash illegally, and also info from shepherd that years ago at Pl. Javornik-Zajavornik on Pokljuka some woman in hut did massages, later found out she was doing oldest profession, couldn't believe it.
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| jprim23. 06. 2011 20:52:12 |
I hope that in the future I have more time to browse photo archive and send some to you.
Where?
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| PinaColada4Eva23. 06. 2011 22:52:29 |
Thanks to all who responded so quickly, all info is of GREAT help. Sabotin, as for boldness - yes, could almost say so - I already turned to many competent organizations and - guess what - didn't expect them to protect their interests so much. Obviously with my research I'm really poking the hornet's nest, but since I see there are still people who care, people who like me love mountain world and want to protect it, I'll gladly share findings with public. "Copy-paste" diploma is already too much, so despite all problems I'm glad I took on this topic.
Thanks again, together we'll be stronger!
My email: eva.noshone@gmail.com
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| ljubitelj gora24. 06. 2011 00:27:38 |
We ourselves can do the most for order and cleanliness in TNP and elsewhere. I decided never again drive by car to Vršič and also for starting point from now choose lower points as described on this portal. I'm one who really hates seeing trash on ground....god forbid I see some paper at home on ground.
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| JusAvgustin24. 06. 2011 15:16:44 |
you know how it goes... Forbidden bread... Anyway, next time maybe I'll tell you the end. We can do the most ourselves, right! Concrete example, action clean our mountains... great thing, all nice and right, bags, t-shirts, folks super satisfied. But the fact is we're pigs, wherever we go we have to leave our mark! Why? It's in our blood, we'll choke in our own trash not just in cities, also in mountains. That's why extra + to extreme pathless terrain. Peace, solitude, CLEAN! I'm not the only one bending down to pick up bottles, cans and other rubbish for "pigs". Such violations should be most severely sanctioned. I notice the spirit "When you go to the valley take your trash with you too" has disappeared, or is disappearing. Since when? I think since we got bins at rest stops and other "aids" (sadly bushes, holes, under rocks too...). There are more and more forms of mountaineering and hiking here, but the decline of that culture is obvious. What is this kid  ranting, many of you wonder now... The fact is I don't litter in the hills, often I pick up rubbish from the ground behind someone and if I see someone throw trash you can be sure he'll pick that trash up. Otherwise the solution is simple (in principle). Instead of stuffing into a full bin, take a plastic bag and carry it down to the valley.
Cheers
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| Gorski lovec24. 06. 2011 20:51:38 |
And it's true; lots of pigs in mountains too  ; I've also picked up plastic, cans and foil for "weekend hikers"... And I really wish I'd catch some litterer in the act
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| PinaColada4Eva25. 06. 2011 00:02:26 |
JusAvgustin, please allow me to borrow your photo for use in the thesis? I'm missing ones with snowman. I'll be even happier if you send it to my email eva.noshone@gmail.com, so without portal mark. please please. cheers
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| slavi090225. 06. 2011 07:35:53 |
we too from every mountain tour bring trash down to valley, which people who don't belong in this paradise dump.... God forbid if I ever see someone doing it, he'll pick up what he threw 100%
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| penzionist25. 06. 2011 09:15:52 |
Trash in mountains - here somehow no hot water is discovered. Some older hill folks may remember a big dump at the junction of Path over the threshold and Tominškova.
Even in "untouched" old times man was bloody under the skin, hard to say situation is much worse now. Anyway we should aim that nothing remains behind us.
More than "piggy" behavior of Sunday visitors it saddens me the apparently same mentality of some even real mountaineers. Trash is unfortunately found also in winter and on hard-to-reach pathless terrain 
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| Gorazd G25. 06. 2011 11:58:07 |
Penzionist, very well written. 
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| funnyboy25. 06. 2011 12:17:51 |
Yes, penzionist, you really wrote it well.
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| geppo25. 06. 2011 12:19:54 |
penzionist
I was surprised by that too. I always thought winter conditions in high mountains are really for true mountaineers...
then unfortunately you encounter all sorts! Besides trash: Viševnik summit is so yellow-stained that you hardly find white spots m², on the way to Turska right in the middle a human turd and much more I could list...
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| GregorC25. 06. 2011 12:54:01 |
Sadly, that's the human mentality: if it's not seen, it doesn't bother. So they throw trash behind rocks, into abysses..., in winter snow covers them anyway. Spring reveals all. Not only in mountains, also elsewhere my hair stands on end when all the filth appears from under the snow. I'll never understand how you can carry full packaging up to mountains, but it's damn hard to carry empty back.
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| JusAvgustin25. 06. 2011 22:48:01 |
intermezzo: today I was at PP6, there isn't even one piece of trash
Lp
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| ljubitelj gora25. 06. 2011 23:34:56 |
I already thought the thread went to trash, today I was walking there along Planica, towards Tamar and up towards the ridge, when going back towards the black waters I stumbled upon a tin can, picked it up, crushed it and took it with me, right before the hut in Tamar I found a 0.5l bottle and a 2dl tetrapak from juice, picked those up too, but the problem came because in front of the hut I didn't find a trash bin, there was one but it's for the hut (green-bigger-closed), probably the bin was right in front of the entrance, but I thought the waitress would surely look at me strangely why I'm dumping trash here....so I carried them to Planica and finally threw them in the bin there. Now I'm asking myself, if the bin at the hut was just a bit further from the hut, would most people dump the carried trash from Planica direction there, likewise hikers would empty their backpacks of trash.
If so many people are going eco let them act in this direction too, more and more people will bring trash from the mountains to the nearest valley hut, of course if they're interested in the cleanliness of TNP and other areas.
And our only pass at this altitude foreigners will completely 'dirty it up' yeah I'm talking about Vršič, this is how it looked today from below the top of Mala Mojstrovka.
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| otiv26. 06. 2011 05:46:56 |
We somehow remove the trash, but I'm worried about environmental pollution with human excrement with such mass visits to the mountains as in TNP itself. Something needs to be done in this direction too, that's how I think.
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| ljubitelj gora26. 06. 2011 09:00:26 |
@otiv:
But exactly that shouldn't be a problem, since sheep also shit on the paths, that's all natural and nature will take care of the decomposition itself, but various bottles, tin cans won't decompose for 100 years.
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| JusAvgustin26. 06. 2011 10:02:14 |
 , plastic 2000 years, tin can a bit less. Ljubitelj gora, did you participate in last year's ONG action?
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