TNP and environmental burdens
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| Zebdi15. 04. 2014 12:18:28 |
Not because they slept. Because they slept in a tent. It's generally known that camping in TNP is forbidden and that a fine is threatened for such an act. If you consciously violate regulations and on top of that publicly post it on the internet, then be prepared to accept the fine too 
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| BorisM15. 04. 2014 12:37:49 |
Come on, helicopters fly around TNP for every little crap, grease traps for waste water still aren't arranged in all huts even now. This big problem however only arises if someone sets up a tent in the middle of winter. After all it's also about survival, what's better, to continue the tour tired and break down somewhere, or sleep over and they have no trouble with you.
But I'm wondering if this even has a legal basis, to issue you a fine based on pictures. In my opinion the supervisor should catch you in the act. Otherwise I'm interested what the supervisor is doing on the net at all, doesn't he have any other job? If not, he's completely useless and ripe for the institute.
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| GregorC15. 04. 2014 13:30:03 |
Another proof of idiocy in Slovenia. Let these supervisors rather go to the terrain and fine what they see with THEIR OWN eyes on the ground. That they fine you based on an internet post is outright absurd and in my opinion also questionable, of course it's easiest for the supervisor. I advocate that the fine is written if an official person catches you in the offense on the spot, which such a post isn't.
Then I can imagine the next scenario:
Someone posts a photo from some starting point where officially you can't park. Official in his office sees this photo on one of the web pages (say right on hribi.net) and based on license plates sends a fine for improper parking. If you don't see you don't believe
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| lynx15. 04. 2014 14:16:37 |
Otherwise I agree that they interpreted camping strangely here, but with the method nothing is wrong. This with parking lots would also be ideal. They walk the terrain, volunteers help them too, but coverage will always be too poor.
A sad hypocrisy is visible, but not on the side of TNP institute. Municipalities and people in it would most gladly abolish it and even when they take action no one supports them, on the other hand everyone boasts with it.
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| GregorC15. 04. 2014 14:39:56 |
No no this with parking lots wouldn't be ideal. If Mr. Inspector Slovenian Janez can't go to the terrain and do his job as expected from him, then he shouldn't send payment orders after viewing web pages either. Every weekend he has a lot of work on the terrain, he just needs to go there.
Hypocrisy though is unfortunately most visible right on the TNP side. Instead of offering the park and bringing it closer to people, they repel them with such attitude. TNP has at least in my opinion completely wrong management strategy. And as long as TNP is led by people who have no connection to it except the job, it will stay that way. People in the park need to be listened to and enabled development, not restricted.
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| lynx15. 04. 2014 15:02:42 |
Yeah sure, then we can abolish the park. Without restrictions it won't work. I don't know if they adopted the management plan last year, but there I'd really stare in disbelief at how "injustice" is done.
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| GregorC15. 04. 2014 15:15:39 |
It's right that the park exists and that there are certain rules, but not everything is about restrictions and prohibitions.
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| lynx15. 04. 2014 16:04:37 |
No it's not, don't know where such ideas come from.
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| Supersport15. 04. 2014 16:07:03 |
If they hunt violators on FB.. just throw the fine away and complain, because they can't do anything to you.
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| keber115. 04. 2014 17:42:51 |
I assume the inspector in question is just as intensively rummaging through the Facebooks of various Czechs, Poles and Slovaks who camp in TNP or even live like in a hotel in some bivouacs. I'm sure he's issued many fines already.
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| Becar15. 04. 2014 18:27:01 |
Just like Supersport said, you can wipe your ass with the fine...... Because it doesn't hold any legal basis. Bravo TNP, you're phenomena. Aren't you ashamed that they're already mocking your masterpieces on forums.
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| Daaam15. 04. 2014 19:28:00 |
Crazy! More papal than the pope. Typical pattern of Slovenian state functioning. No wonder we have the situation we do... With such burlesques I feel like unplugging the internet and going to live on Kamchatka...
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| Fulcrum15. 04. 2014 19:44:36 |
TNP employees are typical bureaucrats who are paid to embitter normal people's lives.
On the other hand, we have to get used to the fact that in Slovenia we are not all equal before the law, since we are not a rule of law state after all. A village oddball can dismantle Morbegno and nothing will happen, because all institutions here have understanding for such people.
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| miri15. 04. 2014 19:52:55 |
Supervisors in TNP are very much needed, but they should be in the field every day, at least at the most exposed points of the park. Something will have to be arranged with the bivouacs, because most have become half "private".
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| risto15. 04. 2014 21:38:05 |
This is a new type of supervisor; Big Brother's twin or crazy bureaucrat. Since they have such effective control, at least half of them are too many!
And we've saved some money !! 
And they won't pollute the park anymore.
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| VanSims16. 04. 2014 07:23:39 |
In principle, camping is prohibited also in NPs abroad. But in some places (say France) so-called bivouacking is allowed. Bivouacking is considered (specifically e.g. in France) tenting from sunset to sunrise.
As for the mentioned gentleman, they can prove his guilt as much as those cat torturers. There they found notes on paper, here a post on the internet. How valid that proof is, everyone has their own opinion.
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| pantani116. 04. 2014 07:51:55 |
miri, I completely agree with you. What happens with bivouacs is unacceptable. Foreigners just take them for a couple of days (Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians...) and because of that sometimes unnecessary bad blood arises . I hope they will regulate this too
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| viharnik16. 04. 2014 08:07:40 |
I don't quite understand how TNP works. In summer, when easterners literally rent our high mountain bivouacs on their own, TNP doesn't pay vigilant attention. But when in winter our guy, who is even known among regular mountain visitors, they fine and attack him. It's completely clear that in winter, even in a tent, rarely does one spend more than one night outdoors. Frequent such bivouacking wouldn't happen due to the weight of equipment that needs to be hauled to 2500m.
Even in Switzerland-Engadin Alps they tolerate bivouacking outdoors quite a bit. Police, despite visible tents from afar, don't move much. Similarly in France as Van Sims said, sleeping bag with bivy is legal everywhere, even sleeping overnight in a car at a mountain parking lot is allowed, just not outside it.
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| carniolus16. 04. 2014 08:25:30 |
It would be interesting to hear some legal opinion on this method of punishment (via the web). I'm quite doubtful that such a method is legally sufficient, since e.g. courts exclude video as evidence (except exceptionally for serious crimes). E.g. also recording with a camera from the car when a traffic violation is captured - such evidence is not sufficient to fine the violator, because the reporter would need to be specifically questioned in the procedure. I don't know, it would really be good to hear a lawyer.
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| miri16. 04. 2014 09:43:35 |
Ojoj, don't let lawyers on this side.
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