To the mountains with a dog?!
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| Bojan_A25. 07. 2010 16:19:18 |
Runners know what we're talking about. This with dogs doesn't apply only to those in the mountains, it's exactly the same in the valley. Otherwise there should be a law that if a dog of some owner bites a person, that owner should never have a dog again, and the dog should be put down immediately.
I've experienced tons of such and similar stories like the one prepolc80 told. The fact is that whenever I see a dog I have to slow down, which annoys me especially because it costs me time (and ultimately training quality).
Dogs don't belong in the mountains
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| oakley25. 07. 2010 18:38:15 |
Bojan A. I suggest you get a prescription, and let those who are paid for it listen to you....
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| heinz25. 07. 2010 20:36:13 |
Today I went with my dog to Luknja. He doesn't bite or bark, walks with me etc., but I dared to let him off the leash only at certain places where I could see no hikers far ahead and behind me. But that's also an offense.. In TNP you can't let a dog off the leash.
So dogs like us belong in the mountains. Under certain conditions that we've set because... This planet was created for all beings.., and maybe dogs roamed the mountains for millennia before homo sapiens appeared.
For order, dog owners must take care already out of consideration for fellow humans, not just because of laws or threatened fines.
On this occasion, let me still warn all (of course well-meaning) friendly people who rejoice at other dogs in the mountains and pet them, call them etc. Dogs can also be tired and in bad mood, their reaction to perceived intrusion can be purely reflexive in such situations..
So let foreign dogs in the mountains pass by peacefully! Don't bother them!
I'm really not afraid my dog will bite someone, but only that people won't leave him alone.
Clearly, I'm responsible only for his "actions".
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| stefanb25. 07. 2010 20:46:58 |
If the dog is trained (or rather the owner), the dog belongs everywhere humans are. He's with me in the mountains, at the sea. Where there are restrictions we follow them. If we agree, mountains will be banned too, but then Bojan A, I'm afraid you won't have competition in mountain running anymore, namely you're at most an obstacle to my Max and he has no time to sniff, let alone step aside. And also, when a dog comes to rescue you, chase it away without worry
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| krasovc25. 07. 2010 23:00:33 |
I think like Bojan, even a friend who had a dog said himself that if a dog bites someone small it's best to put it down. If it attacks without reason same.
Otherwise I think dogs don't belong where many don't want them, even to me, like others, it has happened several times that a barking dog came towards me without a leash, and every time, except once, I wasn't armed with a knife or some pepper spray. And it always bothered me.
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| Bojan_A25. 07. 2010 23:43:01 |
Until the dog bit me for the first time, dogs didn't bother me. Now I realize what a danger they are and I'm afraid of them. Before, it seemed strange to me when someone made a big detour around a dog. Now I do the same. You never know when a dog will just "sniff" you and when it will bite you. Dogs are very unpredictable things.
If dogs didn't bite, I wouldn't have anything against them, but I've accumulated too many negative experiences with them.
And to be clear: I never teased the dog when it bit me. It was always its sneaky, sudden attack that I couldn't predict.
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| VanSims25. 07. 2010 23:52:54 |
I don't know why some runner should slow down or even stop in front of his majesty the dog.
We can walk, run, cycle, exercise...wherever we want, you dog owners must ensure they don't endanger us.
I seriously advise Bojan and other endangered people to get some coercive means e.g. tear gas. It works, believe me (some doubt it).
Well, just today I had an experience with an unleashed dog right at the hut, namely in Austria. But there the owner immediately closed the gate doors and prevented the dog's attack. Don't know if because she saw I reached for the tear gas or because fines and compensations are many-many times higher than here. Here the owner would let him out and even growl in your face.
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| krasovc25. 07. 2010 23:56:35 |
Exactly these things lead to dogs being more hated in the mountains.
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| sunflower26. 07. 2010 07:59:24 |
But it's funny to me that attacks always happen only to people with tear gas...or they happen above average to them....
if a person seeks, they also find....especially if constantly in some battle with time...
and regarding the warning about teasing dogs, I have to agree...I always ask people to leave the dog alone, otherwise (if they tease it, try to pet) it will want to play with them.....helps in 5 %.....then they leave with dirty pants....
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| sunflower26. 07. 2010 08:02:21 |
But it's funny to me that attacks always happen only to people with tear gas...or they happen above average to them....
if a person seeks, they also find....especially if constantly in some battle with time...
and regarding the warning about teasing dogs, I have to agree...I always ask people to leave the dog alone, otherwise (if they tease it, try to pet) it will want to play with them.....helps in 5 %.....then they leave with dirty pants....
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| heinz26. 07. 2010 08:47:51 |
When a dog (not every one) spots a runner running past it, its primal instinct tells it that its prey is running in front of it, so it lunges after or into it. The adrenaline that the human body releases due to fear tells it it's an attacker. So just misunderstandings. The dog is not sneaky; just its understanding of certain behavior is different from ours. Dogs surely find it suspicious already that in calm circumstances someone is fleeing. Some people even wonder at this, despite the reason that we possess.
For this reason owners must keep their dogs on leashes, especially where there is higher frequency; other participants should leave them alone.
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| VanSims26. 07. 2010 09:00:28 |
No worries, they happen to others too. People just don't dare talk about it. Who will boast that a dog attacked him? People are psychologically broken after such an attack. Often they even feel ashamed, as if they are to blame for the attack and look for reasons in themselves as if they provoked and are ashamed of it. Well, some do provoke.
It's kind of like the 'rape victim syndrome'. She also feels ashamed, thinks she's to blame, provoked,... And to make the similarity perfect some really provoke 
As for splashing and teasing dogs, I intentionally keep distance from them so that no owner has an excuse. I'm also not a person in a battle with time (and what does that even have to do?). Especially not in mountains. 
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| zabica26. 07. 2010 09:16:37 |
People, for God's sake!!!! It chills me when I read all these comments  Where has tolerance gone? Acceptance of fellow human? Difference? Compromises? Where does all this hostility come from?
The world, our dear Earth was given to all of us to use and I don't understand where some take the right over individual pieces of this world??
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| Zebdi26. 07. 2010 12:15:51 |
Interesting, in our mountains I've met quite a few dogs, and haven't had a single bad experience yet. Which I couldn't say for runners - but if one runs up, will we all immediately step aside? Good morning.
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| heinz26. 07. 2010 18:54:50 |
All honor to runners, but regarding them we as well as they themselves must know that when they run in mountains, they are not primarily hikers, but -athletes. And that -for them- on training ground dedicated also to hikers, dogs, cats, elephants and of course them too. And of course snakes, marmots, wild boars and bears. If or when they have races, the organizer is responsible for their safety, on their trainings they must certainly judge themselves where and when to go somewhere to test their capacities, strengthen them.
That's how it is. We all have our ideas, interests and needs. They can be purely recreational or even careeristic. Just we must respect each other, or at least take into account as fact.
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| donat26. 07. 2010 19:52:54 |
Runners, give peace, there are some of us who go to the mountains for dear peace, with pup or without, depending on tour difficulty or heat, don't take that from us too.
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| FLEKSARCA26. 07. 2010 22:43:13 |
Last time the heat got to some a bit, today the moon is doing its thing.
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| krasovc26. 07. 2010 22:50:32 |
I don't run, but still I've had dogs barking at me. With one I dealt with home-style, and felt a bit sorry, since it wasn't his fault but, as always, the human, dog owner.
True, nowhere is it written that mountains are only for humans, nor the opposite have I read anywhere. It saddens me when I have to take my little son to the mountains because he's scared when a dog barks, and usually the dog owner laughs and says he won't do anything; well, he already did, scaring the kid.
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| serajko27. 07. 2010 10:25:10 |
hi
This topic is getting boring. Not only in mountains, same problems also in lowlands. If we followed rules all would be satisfied. (least the dogs)
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