To the mountains with a dog?!
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| Kriška5. 07. 2010 16:30:08 |
Ania, I'm really curious how you taught your bitch to climb? And how does she use the climbing harness? I'm asking of course regarding this sentence of yours:
"I have a border collie that always goes with me..climbing..mountains....running...."
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| ZOJA5. 07. 2010 16:38:43 |
Nothing is too late yet, zebdi, because we all stayed home this weekend...thanks for the info. Ania, please tell where you bought the dog shoes and how much they cost.lp
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| joža x5. 07. 2010 17:45:23 |
I can be drunk unconscious and still haven't pissed in the trough where water is poured, so much about culture, drunks, Dore's dogs. Your writing also tells me that you can't genuinely have fun in the hut with a drop and friends, but only feed the dog for some climb. Anyway I have a dog (St. Bernard) and devote more time to him every day than many "mountaineers" who drag dogs to the mountains, I never took my dog to the mountains although I spend about 25 wonderful days there every year. I think love for animals is a nice trait, but climbing mountains with dogs is extreme in my opinion.
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| dore6. 07. 2010 11:26:01 |
joža x, I remember about 25 years ago, I stayed overnight with kids at Planina pri jezeru and experienced a shock. Very friendly mountaineers, dead drunk, were making noise until 3 am. You can imagine how sleeping was. So much about your drunkenness. Well with the dog I don't go over Triglav north face, not to Škrlatica, but I go to Vogel, Črna prst, Rodica to lower peaks in Kamnik Alps, Golica... With me I always carry enough water for the dog and biscuits so my sandwich stays whole and tea for my needs. So don't be too smart. Don't worry about my enjoyment in the mountains, I enjoy walking, though harder every year, enjoy the landscape, view, flowers along the path, but not with beer or alcoholic drinks.
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| VanSims23. 07. 2010 23:41:43 |
Already in the valley I had bad experiences with dogs. When I started going to the mountains I saw that a bad owner remains that up there too.
Once on Svinjak a dog owner deliberately let the dog loose on me. A big one, that almost made my hair stand on end, which charged at me, and the owner just grinned sweetly.
Well and since then I've started carrying pepper spray to the mountains too. Loose dog that approaches me within less than two, three meters - squirt! I don't care at all! One primitive dog owner won't spoil my mountain pleasures for me. Anyone else can get it because of me, just not me.
I've used the spray already (for doubters: yes it works on dogs, even pepper). So far no owner has attacked me after (only verbal protest, which I completely don't care about, I just go on), but if he did, he'd get a dose too!
Dog owners can call me abnormal, idiot,... anyway I don't care. You can just... you know what
Behave culturally and watch your dog and it'll be fine! You're responsible for him!
Oh and ask yourselves why, abroad (at least in mountains, rarely in valley) I haven't had dog problems yet. And I hike foreign mountains at least as much as ours...
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| Bojan_A24. 07. 2010 10:41:22 |
I agree.
Dogs really get on my nerves too. A dog has bitten me three times already and I'll never trust dogs again. I know dogs in mountains also save lives, but I know a case where an avalanche dog bit a person. A dog is a dog and can snap anytime. So always be cautious around them.
I have the biggest problems in the mountains as a runner, because dogs chase me even more when I run. The response of all owners is always the same: "This has never happened before!" Of course I've heard this phrase so many times I can't believe it and just go away as soon as possible.
Also from an ecological viewpoint dogs should stay in the valley, as they scare wildlife.
We all know the case from a few years ago when a dog on a leash pulled a young female hiker to her death.
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| sunflower24. 07. 2010 10:57:11 |
maybe runners should stay in the valley because you scare dogs.....that's more of a joke...I just wanted to say that no one has the right to limit another's freedom....runners/hikers not to dog owners, and vice versa...you just need to ensure correct behavior from all involved....
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| prepolc8024. 07. 2010 11:08:53 |
I completely agree, for correct behavior of all involved, which means dog OBLIGATORILY on a chain and for bigger ones even MUZZLE allowed. But how will dog owners solve loud barking at wildlife, well I don't know that.
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| joža x24. 07. 2010 12:01:26 |
Merchants will think of something already, since there are plenty of fanatic dog lovers who will fall for it.
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| stefanb24. 07. 2010 13:45:54 |
And how will you get rid of loud yodelers and others who scare animals. 
Many dogs are more cultured than ..... .
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| stefanb24. 07. 2010 13:50:49 |
Good that some of us are also fanatical human lovers, because otherwise we'd gladly muzzle someone. I hope merchants invent spray for stupid mountaineers too.
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| jprim24. 07. 2010 14:44:14 |
Do you think it's still smart to debate again a topic dragging like a year's snake ... p. 19. Well, everyone says their opinion, to me personally it's just yapping and pure nothing more.
LP!
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| turbo24. 07. 2010 15:21:24 |
An uneducated person of the human breed can be more dog-like than some dog breed.
An uneducated furry is annoying solely because of the "wrong" owner, who is usually both. Annoying and uneducated.
I accept people to whom animals somehow don't sit well. But I don't understand them.
I accept people who like animals but don't know how to handle them (training, care,...). I don't understand them either.
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| joža x24. 07. 2010 19:03:02 |
Your writing is very cultured, Stefan, you surely belong among those from whom dogs are more ........
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| FLEKSARCA24. 07. 2010 20:12:46 |
Come on please, I don't know, but usually I feel that some see a dog problem already if it farts a bit weird. Who seeks finds, I've hiked plenty too and had no such issues. If they don't sit well in the valley, they'll bother you on the slope too, no sense wasting words on stupidities like scaring wildlife. I'd fear a person spraying tear gas around, oh but I have no dog. Patience is such a nice virtue.
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| viharnik24. 07. 2010 20:39:11 |
In Vanoise park, where I wandered recently, taking the furry friend along is forbidden with a 67€ fine, because of scaring animals and biting.
Well, with the lady who for 42 years summers in her apartment in Val d'Isère, the story was very different back then. She has a hunting poodle terrier dog with short legs and a long nose with hanging ears. After the tour from the road to Col de l'Iseran to the nearby grassy cable car ridge, she then searches for her hiking companion for one hour. She turns around a bit and in some marmot hole only the hind paws and part of the dog's body stick out, which muffled whines. When she pulls him out, she sees a wound on the dog's snout, which the marmot all the time held in its burrow with front claws.
How much damage a dog with a good master can actually do in nature, I leave to your imagination.
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| tanto24. 07. 2010 20:40:06 |
Whatever people do in the mountains as long as it doesn't disturb others (people and animals) is actually their business. But for many in the hills it's annoying that individuals take more space for themselves as if it's natural, especially "runners". Nothing is sacred to them, even when you step aside they don't stop, don't step aside, they crash into you... well dogs are in their way, why. Maybe because they are egoists of the same kind... To the mountains with dogs anyway since they have more than enough stamina. And up high on the mountain you don't meet uneducated dogs. You just need to take care of them. So don't take to heart the nagging of heavyweights who always have excuses from others for their fiascos.
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| prepolc8025. 07. 2010 11:44:07 |
Just one anecdote about us uneducated egoistic runners. This year a German shepherd crossed my path, so I had to stop during the run (that's already quite unpleasant, because once you stop, starting to run uphill again isn't pleasant), and to top it off it jumped on me and licked my leg. I was horrified. Then its owner assured me that's how he plays. Of course no sign of a leash. If such things happened to me regularly, I'd start thinking about using force measures (pepper spray, call 112...). Dog owners, you need to realize that not everyone knows your dog and what seems cute to you can be unpleasant to us. Not to mention dirty pants. Let there be order and we'll all be happy and no more quarrels.
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| prepolc8025. 07. 2010 11:44:48 |
Just one anecdote about us uneducated egoistic runners. This year a German shepherd crossed my path, so I had to stop during the run (that's already quite unpleasant, because once you stop, starting to run uphill again isn't pleasant), and to top it off it jumped on me and licked my leg. I was horrified. Then its owner assured me that's how he plays. Of course no sign of a leash. If such things happened to me regularly, I'd start thinking about using force measures (pepper spray, call 112...). Dog owners, you need to realize that not everyone knows your dog and what seems cute to you can be unpleasant to us. Not to mention dirty pants. Let there be order and we'll all be happy and no more quarrels.
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| sunflower25. 07. 2010 14:18:09 |
my dog would also love to lick all the muck if I'd let him
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