Together to the mountains
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| velkavrh7. 09. 2009 18:01:29 |
In the last ten years more actively in summer season I hike in mountains. Mostly go alone. For demanding tours I find company. Say to Rjavina from Kota three went, to Mrzla gora five. To other main peaks of Kamnik-Savinja and Julian Alps mostly ascended alone. Really hike only on marked trails. Karavanke except Stol from Ljubelj see even more from valley. Today driving to Jesenice, engine check, they looked wonderful.
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| Edina9. 09. 2009 14:25:09 |
I too mostly go solo, but agree it's not always good. I think it's also hard to arrange via the forum because of different ages and thus fitness. Topic OK, maybe even loners this way go to more demanding mountain world where alone for safety wouldn't go. Already last winter admired Uroš who quickly gathered team for New Year's on Kredarica. Maybe us stubborn loners lack just a bit more sense for adapting, in exchange some tour we wouldn't do alone.
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| Johny779. 09. 2009 19:39:29 |
Alone it's not good to go, nice if you go with that one to mountains whom you know well, if not don't know what will be!!!
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| Bojan_A9. 09. 2009 22:27:40 |
Yeah exactly that - if you go to the mountains with someone much less experienced - it's safer to go alone.
Otherwise I too happily take someone to the mountains. Unfortunately no one so far has gone with me to the mountains twice.
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| Bojan_A10. 09. 2009 15:56:27 |
Yeah right. First I test the person to see how well the person hikes. For that I usually use Dobrča, which is technically completely undemanding mountain, but physically relatively strenuous due to 1000 m elevation gain and increasingly steep slope.
Despite everyone telling me if I'll take them to Triglav. I will, happily, but only if they prove they can first do say 5 hours on easy terrain, then 7-8 hours on easy terrain (Begunjščica, Stol). Then some more demanding ascent (e.g. Storžič), then Triglav. But no one and nobody has enough persistence to go through these NECESSARY steps. Most give up already on Dobrča.
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| Edina10. 09. 2009 21:20:06 |
Bojan A you're probably too strict, and even for us who hike regularly fitness fluctuates. I recently took neighbors and we did such a nice circular hike, which we finished with descent from Komne to Savica. We descended almost two hours, today I alone got in less than two hours to the hut under Bogatin, descended in one hour twenty minutes, in between nice circular tour on Lepe Komne plateau visiting pathless Kal, where I even built cairns so I knew the way back and since everything turned out well I went to Lanževica too. I want to say, both times it was very nice, just in different ways. Anyway I really hike alone, but I know how to adapt too, since I don't go from the premise that others have to adapt only to me.
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| serajko10. 09. 2009 21:37:53 |
I think this page is intended for completely different information. If I understand correctly we should arrange joint trips not about how to break pleasant company on excursions or hikes by not adapting to the weakest. Such a way can discourage an individual forever from the idea of pleasant hiking in the mountains. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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| Bojan_A10. 09. 2009 23:49:35 |
Bravo, that's a really super achievement. In my opinion the achievement you're confidently able to achieve is the most valuable. Overdoing it leads nowhere. That's why I've long said that the saying: "You're not Slovene if you haven't been to Triglav," is total nonsense or you're in my opinion much smarter Slovene if you stay home and judge that you're not capable of it. IN SLOVENIA THERE ARE MANY MORE BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAINS!
No, I'm not strict at all.  Just some basic safety principles I follow. That's why I test the person. Even when I take someone somewhere I hike slowly with recommended pace between 250 and 350 m/h. I have experience even in this direction that inexperienced start too fast, then oh boy. So I know I have to brake them back at least the first hour and explain that they can go full speed the last hour if they still have strength.
So far in company it has always been great. I wish for more such trips - especially with peers and peeresses.
Otherwise, as serajko said, pairs let's find/find yourselves.
LP, Bojan
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| krasovc15. 09. 2009 21:04:39 |
I mostly hike alone, if not with the boy who is 5 years old and then I have to adapt to him. My friends, unfortunately, are a bit lazy, some injured, with others I'd rather go for beer than argue with them in the mountains (so I don't cause an avalanche with my voice). Well, when we talk about tours, I'm looking at a 2-day tour for over 2 weeks, for the last weekend of the month. I'll probably be in Lj already on Friday, and would almost go from Jezersko to Mrzla gora, maybe to Rinke or also to Kočna, maybe all together. If someone has a suggestion I'll gladly take it.
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| Žiga2215. 09. 2009 21:20:56 |
Well, in this case I do something similar to Bojan A..
Namely before I take someone with me to high mountains I'd rather make sure the person is really capable of doing at least 130% of the tour we're going on.
Not for anything else, but if things get tough in the mountains (injuries, bad weather, rain, cramps, lack of water, etc.), I have to be sure that person can at least approximately take care of themselves if I have to say go for help or something similar.
I realize that mountains are not for joking, so if it comes to the above extraordinary situations, I definitely can't watch and babysit the other group members like I could in normal conditions.
So yes, even if someone wants to come along but isn't capable, I'd rather not take them and go alone.
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| jprim15. 09. 2009 21:28:18 |
How do you mean 130% ... isn't 100% the whole, everything, meaning the test subject has to be top-notch
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| Žiga2215. 09. 2009 21:52:57 |
I mean something like this;
If the tour is 1 hour, the person must be able in normal conditions to last at least 1.3 hours. 100% in this case would mean walking 1 hour and then "drops dead".
If the tour (say to Stenar) is 4 h, the person must be able in normal conditions to last at least 5.2 h.
It's not for anything else but that the person has some "reserve" in case of unforeseen events.
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| metuljčica27. 09. 2009 14:39:53 |
Tomorrow I'm drawn somewhere to the mountains for 1 day. If anyone wants to join let me know. I haven't decided where yet so agreement is possible (preferably Kamnik-Savinja Alps or Karawanks). I'm 30 years old and would like company of similar age.
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| Bojan_A27. 09. 2009 16:03:24 |
Exactly Žiga22, at 100% power we go only mountain runners at races where GRS cares for our safety right next to the track all the time. Anyway we're often just a few percent from collapse. Especially when it's hot many collapse together.
I'm probably going to the mountains tomorrow after one month again, to test new boots.
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| burja27. 09. 2009 20:49:41 |
Bojan_A and Žiga22, obviously you don't understand the essence of this topic. And your remark isn't quite right either because you comment when nobody asks you or you don't intend to respond to the invitation. Are you embarrassed - still green - or do you have typical Slovenian disease: showing off It's not at all about one leading the other and even less about measuring how much one can do. For your mountain races test other guinea pigs – maybe you two are just right together for the mountains!? The real storm will have to blow you well to temper you into real mountaineers.
First read some book e.g. "Call of the Mountains" by Mihelič or similar, do many tours and maybe you'll start to see what love for mountains means.
Metuljčica, I hope you'll find good company Unfortunately I don't have around 30 years anymore. Yeah back then it was nice too...
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| JusAvgustin27. 09. 2009 22:17:53 |
We go together with my great girlfriend, on tough tours we go with a friend with whom we have approximately equal mental-physical abilities. Anyway, physical condition isn't constant and sometimes you have to turn back, not force your head through the wall. I myself had trouble for quite some time finding a person ready to hike with me in the mountains. 
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| Bojan_A27. 09. 2009 22:35:26 |
I read Call of the Mountains. Winter and summer tours in high mountains and alpinism are not foreign to me either.
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| jusuf28. 09. 2009 02:26:33 |
Bojan
I read a bit of your blog and just marvel at the achievements. Most described tours I have also hiked - in like 3-4 times longer times.
I myself have been trying all my life to get Ljubno and Triglav in good composition but like you I haven't succeeded yet.
Best regards.
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| jusuf28. 09. 2009 02:29:13 |
Probably for "together to the mountains" it's really most important that people with equal condition meet. Where to go isn't most important - everywhere is beautiful!
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