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| viharnik13. 10. 2015 20:35:22 |
Butcher flies have their "business" again , let them have it.
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| lino14. 10. 2015 12:21:08 |
Obviously no one knows anything about my question of four webcams on Hribi.net forum in Bovec area, no one hears anything, no one sees anything, no one reads our forum. In short 4 x nothing for tourist Bovec. The only answer was given by Mr. Thief in the style of healthy mountaineering humor. Thanks Igor, at least I know the internet connection with Bovec works.
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| lubadar14. 10. 2015 12:26:06 |
@lino where do I find that cafe then.... I know Bovec pretty well, but haven't noticed that cafe yet 
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| lino14. 10. 2015 12:36:49 |
Lubadar, you're a humorist. It's in sight of Big Brother, Pigeon Victims Square 40.
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| grega_z_brega14. 10. 2015 13:40:56 |
Lino, you know all the corners? 
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| lino14. 10. 2015 13:54:28 |
Grega from the bank, for a year and a half I lived in Bovec when serving military service JLA with mountaineers. We lived at the nicest location in the barracks above Bovec. The cafe in the town center was a popular meeting place for the then officers and NCOs JLA. That barracks is demolished, the location sadly not used for useful purposes. There sadly only ruins and weeds.
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| julius14. 10. 2015 14:25:17 |
Yes, yes, those were golden times. Within a distance of 1 km we had the following destinations available:
Petelin inn
Kolobrat inn
Sovdat inn
Cafe with excellent jukebox and good records
Alp hotel
Pastry shop (šiptar)
Pod lipo inn
It was quite merry on the return to our dwelling.
Did you photograph the cafe when leaving Sovdat?
I assume you were there before the year 1972. The last generation serving 18 months left Bovec at the end of October 1971. Maybe we know each other?
Nice regards
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| grega_z_brega14. 10. 2015 15:34:16 |
You old fighters, I see
Lino, you served suddenly!
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| viharnik14. 10. 2015 15:46:31 |
My neighbor l.66 was the last generation that served full 15 months as JLA soldiers. He cursed it, said it was pure waste of time, they just kept you inside. Brother served in the navy for one year. He had training in Pula, there they taught them only basics of captaincy  . Later they moved them all to Kotor Bay, where until the end of service (old soldiers were called Džomba) they just sanded and painted some old ship, a few times in between took them out to sea with the ship so they knew they were at sea at all . They ate old cans older than themselves and constantly that cabbage  . They also had one slacker who didn't move anywhere , least of all when there was work to do. Colleagues then gave up on him and left him to himself, as it was .
Father was also in the navy (old navy), but back then service time was a good four years. He gorged on the sea so much that later on vacation with us he didn't even swim, once on arrival from the pier he threw himself into the sea, another time on departure and headfirst with a five. In between there was some fire on the ship, where all sailors nearby on deck, though innocent, were accused of sabotage. So they had to go to Goli otok as prisoners too, father quite burned, recovered well, but still to Goli otok. There they carried stones all day, once to the shore, once back to prison cells, in short heavy trials.
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| lino14. 10. 2015 16:00:48 |
I served my 18-month military service in Bovec until September 1968, then they extended our service by another month because the Russians had just invaded Czechoslovakia. Our training area was above Bovec in the area of Plužna village and under Rombon. The shooting range was in Čezsoča village. We guarded the military depot in the area of the current Bovec airport. After so many years I can say it was nice and also a bit less nice. The places are definitely wonderful.
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| miri14. 10. 2015 16:45:24 |
@viharnik that last sentence about Goli otok is not true. But it was really a harsh trial.
My mom was on it.
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| lino14. 10. 2015 16:55:01 |
Miri, I don't know if you have accurate data. As far as I know, women did not serve sentences on Goli otok, but on the neighboring island Grgur.
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| miri14. 10. 2015 16:57:49 |
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| viharnik14. 10. 2015 17:01:03 |
How not, if my father told me. Goli otok and the procedures of prison conditions during the war we know what they were like, many didn't even survive under Italian occupation. But Goli otok after the war was something else, which served as a prison for those who "resisted" the then regime, one way or another. Already then Yugoslav dominance of certain lobbies was quietly taking place, both in the army and politics, communism was born, udba, which punished especially capitalists, where later there was expropriation of private property, companies, houses etc., in short, whoever had too much, they took it away, of course for their own benefit again, because only the original Leninist teaching at that time was pure form of communist socialism, later no more, although statesmen propagated it.
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| miri14. 10. 2015 17:05:21 |
@viharnik don't mix pears and apples.
There is quite some literature on Goli otok. Read some book by Radovan Hrast to form the right picture.
(end of debate from my side, because this is not the topic of this forum)
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| viharnik14. 10. 2015 17:08:11 |
My father was not the type of big talker, even less a liar. He said exactly what I wrote. But how the writer saw the island and probably didn't even set foot on it at that time, that's another story. Litany and paper can carry a lot, also because of good sales. The matter happened on Goli otok less than five years after WWII. Back then they also said, if someone squeals, he will be brought back to Goli otok for even longer, well I remembered that too from father, when he talked with neighbor friend who is now 93. Those year groups around 20 to 30 suffered the most in the century-long history, later it was all easier and more normal.
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| lino14. 10. 2015 17:09:13 |
Here I give Viharnik right. The writer Vitomil Zupan described the horrors on Goli otok very detailed.
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| viharnik14. 10. 2015 17:26:43 |
Back then no one was allowed to set foot on Goli otok, except the prisoners. They got food once a day like dogs, had narrow cells, floor just dirt and stones, no blankets, covered only with a jacket or whatever clothes they had with them. After finishing moving stones in the scorching sun, late afternoon you could go to the cell shade and had to kneel until night rest. Whoever lay down, the next day a much harsher punishment followed.
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| redbull14. 10. 2015 18:38:40 |
No, just read the first words and immediately figured Viharnik could have written this.
Bravo, meant nothing bad.
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