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zlatica11. 09. 2014 12:33:48

Velkavrh, very interesting. First your flowers around Kamen Castle, and second around the saxifrage. I didn't know about Host's saxifrage; judging by the flowers, I haven't noticed it in nature either, because the flower is so typical that I would remember it. Regarding my flower, which I looked at in great magnification on the photo, I found out that the dots are brown, which shows the flower is slowly "fading" and not pink dots, so it doesn't go towards Host's saxifrage. Regarding the rosette, yes, that's still open. Under magnification, you can already see the strong characteristic silver edges on the leaves, typical for crusty. Do you perhaps remember where you found Host's saxifrage? Anyway, thanks for the hint, because from now on I'll be more attentive to the differences. And of course for the monkshood. In Flora Alp. it is shown, but not in such bright variegated color as mine, so I didn't think of it. Otherwise the handbooks are great. Thanks for the info! Eternally grateful...lp nasmeh

Apolonija11. 09. 2014 12:58:35

Is it actually called Host's or crusty? In nature there's no dilemma for me. Above all, Host's is much larger, rosettes are really big and flower stem high.

As for the monkshood, I wavered between variegated, as I hinted, and narrow-leaved. I didn't decide for variegated because it should have a high helmet. But the color and panicle shape speak for it. I'm still in doubt. nasmeh

velkavrh11. 09. 2014 13:30:45

The crusty saxifrage from Host's is easiest to distinguish by the rosette leaves. The leaves excrete the most lime of all saxifrages, so rosette leaves are almost gray-silver, while Host's leaves are green. Host's leaves also excrete lime on the edges of the leaves but much less than crusty. On the leaf edges there are like little drops - dots - of this lime (in crusty these lime dots are significantly larger and more visible). But crusty is similar in growth to Host's. On the branched stem it's full of flowers. Host's is significantly taller in stem growth than crusty. Height according to literature - Host's 30-60 cm, crusty 20-30 cm.

On Planina Ovčarija grows Host's saxifrage exactly along that rock face right of the marked path junction - under that rock the path turns over Štapce. It also grows above the path from Studorski preval towards Vodnikov dom. I always find it on the botanical path - Črna prst, where there's a sign at the site and also in many other places like Julijci and KSA. In Karavanke I think I haven't noticed it yet.

Finally I cleared up the dilemma about the beautiful saxifrage, which really doesn't grow here. On the path to Kozjek and along the valley of Reka river (tributary of Kokra) grows confirmed changed saxifrage, which is really similar in growth to the beautiful one.

zlatica11. 09. 2014 14:00:59

As a supplement, the upper saxifrage (that one or those) I photographed a few turns before Planina Ovčarija, if you go there from Planina Viševnik. But it was much taller than usual, so I couldn't photograph it up close all at once, only from afar. So I'd say by "finger" estimate it was about 0.5 meter high, which pulls towards Host's. But I don't understand why it didn't have dots on the flowers then. I'm attaching this photo from farther away, unfortunately sideways. greetings

velkavrh11. 09. 2014 16:18:55

zlatica, it is Host's. As I already wrote we have two subspecies of this saxifrage. One has no dots, or they are poorly visible. Both grow sometimes very close to each other.

zlatica11. 09. 2014 17:01:41

Bravo, we/you have identified it.. That makes me happy... velik nasmeh

velkavrh12. 09. 2014 09:57:44

I've been particularly devoted to saxifrages for four years already. This year's season somehow escaped me, because most saxifrages bloom in summer, which I had to skip. Now in October, when I'm operational again, there are more late bloomers, but high mountains will soon be covered in snow too. But I'll review all saxifrages I've found or identified so far. From the presented ones I lost somewhere the pic only of the stemless one, which I identified last year - Saxifraga aphylla. By flowers it's somewhat similar to Hohenwart's and can be confused.

First I will present the red or purple ones - this is the opposite-leaved saxifrage -Saxifraga oppositifolia.

Last year I found it for the first time on Hribaricah, on Temenu-gora next to Kanjavca and on Velikem Špičju.

It flowers early. Actually it is found next to melting snow.

Now I first go to the yellow saxifrages. I will start with the furrowed saxifrage, which has three subspecies here. This is the Carniolan saxifrage-Saxifraga exarata carniolica.

The Carniolan saxifrage is found both in KSA and Julijcih.

A subspecies of furrowed saxifrage is musk saxifrage-Saxifraga exarata moschata. We have a third dark purple or black-spotted saxifrage, endemic to Krnskega pogorja, which I haven't seen yet.

In Italy on a tour of Poliških Špikih I found a subspecies of furrowed saxifrage that does not grow here-Saxifraga exarata subsp.pseudoexarata-I don't know the exact designation.

Among yellow is the evergreen saxifrage-Saxifraga aizoides, which is actually our most common saxifrage.

We encounter it everywhere. More similar to mossy than to evergreen is Hohenwart's saxifrage, which I have already found, but I don't have a picture.

Colored from green to such red. That red colored was found last year on Dolkovi špici.

Very similar is mossy saxifrage -Saxifraga sedoides. They often grow together and we mix them up.

Next I go to white flowering saxifrages - beautiful is the panicled saxifrage -Saxifraga paniculata.

This panicled one was found on Velikem Špičju.

Already very early in spring along forest paths on the way to the subalpine zone we will notice wedge-leaved saxifrage-saxifraga cuneifolia.

It has characteristic leaf rosettes that greet us from the rocks.

The round-leaved saxifrage likes moisture and likewise shade - Saxifraga rotundifolia.

It is quite common and has characteristic leaves.

The starry saxifrage is the ornament of the high mountains - Saxifraga stellaris. It likes wet soil and often hides among rocks.

We somehow quite overlook the blue-green saxifrage - Saxifraga caesia.

We have switched to the crusty saxifrage - Saxifraga crustata.

Actually, it is our most common saxifrage of the mid-mountains and high mountains.

Now we are at Host's saxifrage as it is presented on the botanical trail - Črna prst.

We have two subspecies of Host's saxifrage - the one on the botanical path has white flowers - Saxifraga hostii subsp. hostii.

This one from the Ovčarija pasture - Saxifraga hostii subsp. rhaetica - the other subspecies.

Early in spring on rocks we see this moss - it belongs to the mossy saxifrage - Saxifraga squarrosa.

This spring I found on the top of Vremščica the three-fingered saxifrage - Saxifraga tridactylites.

This spring I found under Vodnikov dom the Burser's saxifrage - Saxifraga burseriana.

It has the largest white flower among all saxifrages and blooms first. Here my photos end. Probably I found some more, but I didn't recognize it.

zlatica12. 09. 2014 11:16:40

Oh, what a beautiful botanical collection! Very interesting and useful to review a certain type of flower in metamorphic forms like this. When there will be no flowers left in nature in winter, we'll be glad if you cheer us up again with presentations of individual flowers from your own collection. lp nasmeh

velkavrh13. 09. 2014 08:38:27

Bad weather doesn't hinder me too much on hikes, last year I went several times even in bad weather, but not into rocks. I'll go to Nared only in October, so now I have time to review the recorded material and ponder dubious identifications. Of course, if I'm too doubtful I send it to experts for identification.

Suholetnice can be easily recognized because they are pinkish, asters are blue. They are somewhat similar in growth height and flower. There are several suholetnice. This is alpine suholetnica.

The flowers of this species are not so open-Erigeron alpinus.

Much more common is the many-flowered suholetnica.

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Apolonija13. 09. 2014 14:36:00

Hello, Velkavrh!

I admit that from your photos I can't distinguish one dryad from the other at all. All except 4 look the same to me. Lp

velkavrh14. 09. 2014 09:23:12

The alpine dryad differs from the octopetalous one by the flower. Not by color, as it's somehow identical. In the alpine, the flower isn't so spread out and the perianth follows it well. In the octopetalous, the flower itself is always wide open, flowers are also larger. True, the leaves on the alpine are hairy on both sides, which isn't visible in the pictures. The alpine is also taller.

Apolonija14. 09. 2014 12:49:54

I know those characteristics, but still from these photos alone it would be hard for me to conclude that, for example, 3 and 5 are octopetalous and not alpine. If the biologists said so, I believe it. Lp

Tadej15. 09. 2014 08:18:42

Some pictures of little flowers from a trip to Lož castle.

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Apolonija15. 09. 2014 08:34:03

Balfour's balsam
sticky sage
common yarrow
clustered bellflower

Nice sunny day, I wish!

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Tadej15. 09. 2014 08:49:40

Thanks, I've added the names.

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Tolminc17. 09. 2014 16:56:41

I'm curious what flower this is? Thanks for the answer nasmeh

otiv17. 09. 2014 19:35:20

It looks similar to common yarrow, which can also be pink.

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Tolminc18. 09. 2014 11:09:49

@otiv, could be yarrow. Thanks.

zlatica18. 09. 2014 16:05:20

Hello, sending you flowers from Matajur, where I managed to go the day before yesterday. Of course there aren't many left in abundance, but they can still be found, so each is even more precious. Anyway I tried to identify them. Where the name is missing or incorrect, please contribute.. Already from the soft thorns it's clear the weather wasn't great... mežikanje

one of the last specimens of Sternberg's pink below Matajur

Many-flowered knawel ? (Brane, this is a task for you!)

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otiv18. 09. 2014 16:33:33

Hello @zlatica!

Nice, really less and less flowers in the mountains. But yesterday I was surprised by more spring-like flowers during visit to Velika Planina.

In pic 16,17 and 18 it's fringed gentianella
25, it's loosestrife, but I don't dare claim which.

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