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otiv2. 08. 2017 19:31:27
@primozg, this will be one of the gentians, as we know the chalice one, the Austrian and the German ones. For exact identification it's necessary to photograph the flower corolla too and of course there are other details that already exceed my knowledge. nasmeh
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velkavrh2. 08. 2017 19:32:33
Today a pleasant hike to the Korošica alpine pasture above Ljubelj.
Sviščevec is a typical early autumn mountain flower - this year they are blooming particularly early.1
We now encounter this species everywhere. 2
Svilničevolistni svišč or svečnik - this year I found it for the first time.3
Pot-bellied bellflowers.4
Arnica.5
Bearded bellflower also on Planina Korošica.6
Rock speedwell.7
Narrow-leaved cottongrass.8
Marsh groundsel.9
In the morning the thorny thistles still had closed buds, when returning they showed their faces.10
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Apolonija2. 08. 2017 23:43:49
Kati, you say that you took the term "furrowed" from Velkavrh; and it's really not in any handbook. It's possible you took the name from Velkavrh, because he named some saxifrage like that. But I must emphasize that furrowed saxifrage is our botanical name for Saxifraga exarata, even though you didn't find it in your handbooks. It has many subspecies, only 3 grow with us, which I listed above. No problem if you write the species name (furrowed saxifrage) and not the subspecies (Carniolan or musky or black-fringed). Wrong is if it's not that species, but another. If it's not the furrowed one, but for example the warty one.
Oh, I don't know if I was understandable.?
It's not that important, but I, like Zlatica, thought your second saxifrage was blue-green. If the leaflets, as you quote prof. Ravnik, are bent, they more easily create the look of a rosette/little flower and not just "grass"velik nasmeh
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GITA3. 08. 2017 20:49:58
I wish you a nice good evening nasmeh. Two days ago I was strolling in the High Tauern and photographed some flower species, but identification doesn't go well for me. Please help, all photographed at altitude between 2600 and 3200 m. Thanks and little greeting to all! nasmeh
?1
Carniolan rockcress2
?3
Grey grint?4
If it were spring, I would write spring svišč, but like this...? - probably Bavarian5
Another svišč - probably snow one...6
Starry rock-jasmine7
Low milnica8
Goatsbeard9
preobjeda10
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velkavrh3. 08. 2017 21:09:48
Gita I also found these flowers in the High Tauern some year ago.

It should be like this:
1.definitely edelweiss
2. Carniolan saxifrage-belongs to the furrowed ones
3.globeflower or trollius-hard to identify
4.grey ragwort-Senecio incanus-I haven't found it with us
5.belongs to small gentians
6.this small gentian is particularly interesting. More similar to pot-bellied than snowy. Both have such inflated bellies. Snowy also grows with us -I haven't identified it somehow yet.
7.-starry saxifrage-I haven't seen it this year yet.
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zlatica4. 08. 2017 08:57:03
Gita, from Albania straight to the High Tauern? Anyway, you delighted us with beautiful high-mountain flowers.
Branko has already nicely identified everything, only for 6. I would add that everything indicates it's the snow gentian, since there's no visible characteristic very inflated corolla tube like the pot-bellied gentian has. And one more trifle at 2.- Carniolan saxifrage belongs among the furrowed s., musky is one of the furrowed ones..which we already discussed in the last comments.velik nasmehnasmehlp
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Apolonija4. 08. 2017 09:04:52
Gita, nice little flowers you found. The grey ragwort seems particularly beautiful to me and the low primrose too. By the way, spring gentian could still be flowering in summer.

velkavrh, typing too fast againnasmehCarniolan saxifrage doesn't belong among the musky ones, but among the furrowed. Musky belongs there too.

5- I can't say for sure, because the corollas are poorly visible, that it's Bavarian gentian. Bavarian gentian has a very dark corolla indeed.
6- To you the corolla tubes seem very inflated? Not to me. Maybe I see poorly. I wouldn't go for pot-bellied. Besides, does it really have no sterile shoots??
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Apolonija4. 08. 2017 09:06:31
PS: obviously Zlatica and I were typing at the same timenasmeh
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velkavrh4. 08. 2017 11:01:24
Yesterday's harvest from the path-Stara Fužina, Mostnica gorges, Voje, Uskovnica pasture. Rudno polje.
Narrow-helmeted monkshood-Aconitum lycoctonum ssp. lycoctonum1
Carniolan knapweed-Centaurea carniolica2
3
On the pastures cross-leaved gentian blooms.4
Stemless carline-Carlina acaulis5
Willow gentian-Gentiana asclepiadea6
A rather tall gentian appears - unable to identify the species.7
8
Probably nodding thistle-Carduus nutans ssp. nutans9
Tormentil-Potentilla erecta10
Flower imported from the First World War-common marigold11
Bellflower - species not determined12
common hare's-foot13
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Apolonija4. 08. 2017 17:34:36
Gentians? Here we mainly talk about the bristly, cupped, Austrian and German gentian. There are more species and each species has its own subspecies. Since we're not biologists, the genus name=gentian is enough for me. Otherwise we have no problems with bristly, right?, but for the other three I look at the corolla. The notch between teeth in German and cupped gentian is sharp and can look like the letter "V", in Austrian "U". The cupped one's corolla has hairs, the German doesn't. That's how I quickly help myself. Whether the naming is correct then is another storyzadrega.
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kati19094. 08. 2017 17:41:50

Hot, hot... so it's best to "cool off" at home by editing flower photos and browsing the forum "which little flower...".
I'll show you some more little flowers from my hike through blooming pastures above Podvežak.nasmeh
Globe daisy1
Glavinec2
Sticky thistle3
sticky thistle 2.4
Many-flowered blackhead5
meadow saxifrage6
narrow-leaved catchfly7
narrow-leaved butterwort8
Narrow-leaved sedge9
Pannonian edelweiss10
Edelweiss11
Pinkish-red monkshood12
Scheuchzer's bellflower13
Scheuchzer's bellflower and fir clubmoss14
Scheuchzer's bellflower and slanozor15
alpine forget-me-not16
alpine forget-me-nots17
bouquet of cyclamen18
pot-bellied bellflowers19
evergreen rock sedge20
Many-flowered blackhead21
many-flowered knapweed22
many-flowered catchfly23
Willow-leaved primrose24
Many-flowered blackhead25
Zois bellflowers26
Zois bellflowers27
for Apolonija28
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velkavrh5. 08. 2017 05:34:11
To occupy myself a bit with our little flowers before I escape somewhere above 2000m.

kati1909 I'm glad you joined our company. So let's start:

No.1,16 and 17. We've discussed globularias already. If we don't know them well it's hard to identify. No trouble with hairy, short-leaved, long-haired - somehow the lowest growing and extremely bright yellow. But can confuse with whitish - I think I haven't found it yet. Nice is orange globulary, but haven't seen in nature - only cultivated. With hare's-ear one we'd have problems - nicely shown on botanical trail at Črna prst. With your pics hard to say if alpine or blue. For alpine it says - bract leaves under head are long-haired, basal leaves lanceolate and entire, especially hairy on edges. So for recognition we must photo well also leaves on stem and basal rosette or leaves.

Globularias after all - at least alpine and blue very similar in flowers to otavič or egg-caps, and we could count golden cudweeds too.


No.2 and 6. - better write just hawkweed if not sure of species. Looks like common, found also on valley meadows. For them very important to photo exactly flower and heads under flower.

Pink-red campion can be colored from white to strongly pink.

For arnica better to state just arnica or sunflower. I distinguish well only mountain one, because much smaller flowers than others - egg-shaped, common, many-flowered.

No.21,5 and 25 are same flowers - many-flowered black knapweeds.

No.14-next to it you have viviparous bistort-Polygonum viviparum.

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Apolonija5. 08. 2017 07:02:26
Kati, thanks for the "gift", I'm glad. I agree with Velkavrh and with what's written you got answer for unknowns. From some pics really can't exactly determine plant, species name.

Small remark on sentence about hawkweeds No.2 and 6: "For them very important to photo exactly flower and heads under flower." Hawkweeds belong to aster family and there numerous flowers=inflorescence united in heads. (Not head/basket under flowers, but flowers themselves) And that head, those flowers, are surrounded by bract leaves which can have different appendages. And need to pay attention to those, because hawkweeds differ also by them besides other features.
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zlatica5. 08. 2017 11:55:38
Almost missed this quality discussion, good I peeked here what's happening. velik nasmeh
Well, now I know next one to delight us with flower pic will be Branko, since he went above 2000m! Already waiting... velik nasmehvelik nasmeh
Until then one known bellflower I met in Čep gorge and one unknown marsh plant. Maybe someone recognizes it.zmeden regards nasmeh
Tufted bellflower1
Marsh orchid, probably broad-leaved.2
Marsh orchid, probably broad-leaved.3
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kati19095. 08. 2017 12:22:54
Brane; thanks for friendly invitation or welcome, especially thanks for your "botanical" remarks.
Wish you nice and safe wandering above 2000m.
Just one remark to you; on pic 14 besides bellflower is viviparous bistort.
Also to you Apolonija thanks; I decided not to use adjectives when naming little flowers until I "perfect" my photo technique.
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otiv5. 08. 2017 13:55:55
You just discuss names
heat sent me to the club of the lazy,
so at least to earn myself a little drink
some material from my photo toy...velik nasmeh velik nasmeh
Common rose root and behind Rjavina, if the mountains interest anyone.. ha ha ha1
Evergreen rock cress with a view of Triglav and Rjavina2
Ivanjščica3
Here my knowledge ends... that it is a marmot bellflower is at least some consolation.4
There are several types of marmot bellflower and exact identification is quite a job...ha ha ha5
Pink-red catchfly6
Leaf-embracing sandwort, of course decorating Očak7
Hairy rock cress, when we went to Debelo peč... ha ha ha8
Clusius' five-finger orchid9
Shiny grintavec10
Rusty bellflower11
Rusty bellflower12
Fruits of common wolfsbane13
Kamnokreč14
evergreen rock sedge15
evergreen rock sedge16
Zois' bellflower17
Zois' bellflower18
Brane whispered to me it's Zoprna kislica... thanks19
Zvončica for prmejdunej.. ha ha ha20
Sviščevec for analysis...21
Many-flowered dryad22
Many-flowered dryad23
Zvončica and...24
..its leaves25
svečnik26
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turbo5. 08. 2017 14:24:12
@otiv

Let's leave the club of the lazy,
won't talk about names,
let your toy's photos entertain us
with a glass of cold drink,
no one wants it to be so hot
but since we can, no one cries mežikanje
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Apolonija5. 08. 2017 15:07:49
kati, just use the adjective when you're sure it's right. Often we recognize the plant in nature ourselves, but on the picture an unfamiliar eye can't be quite precise. (As you say due to technique one still needs to know which details to show.) It's a whole science. We can be satisfied with "basic botany".

Zlatica and marsh orchid! By flower shape, color of course can vary, similar to broad-leaved helleborine (Epipactis helleborine). If leaves are wide enough, I don't knowvelik nasmeh
https://www.google.si/search?q=%C5%A1irokolistna+mo%C4%8Dvirnica&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkqcuK8L_VAhUrDcAKHT-rAj4Q_AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=928#imgrc=mZAcv661h96tRM:
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zlatica5. 08. 2017 15:08:22
Ah, Otiv, your path to Debelo peč was nicely adorned, I assume, your mountain views hinted that to me, you gathered nice flowers and nothing beats the view of a flower with beautiful mountain in background, right? After long time you stumbled on bushy bellflower, marmots didn't lack for you either and maybe they'll entice Apolonija to guess which is which. Finally someone noticed wood-sorrel too, not particularly pretty, Brane even gave it special name, but interesting plant and on your photo beautiful like ornamental flower. velik nasmeh Be well!nasmehmežikanje
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Apolonija5. 08. 2017 15:29:02
Otiv and turbo,

the heat does you good. Rhymes just bubble up for you. Wittynasmeh
Otiv, your photos are divine and you don't have any strangers either.
Marmot gentian for analysis. What do you say? Who votes for cup-shaped? The notches between calyx teeth are narrowed and the edge is hairy.....mežikanje
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